From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yk0-x22c.google.com (mail-yk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F3AA21F3AF for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2015 04:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykft189 with SMTP id t189so7079911ykf.1 for ; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 04:06:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ASaRb31c5umT3QyWrOAx77TdCoq5WVwqZimWN2+MXTU=; b=o6kA8CkMLG+PwGrkL/nrR9CSA5avRHFMxt3HyorcX8D8v47aTtY96gVuCmqZ6wZjw1 phiUy5OoCL6ENbXvqcyFDIyPhgNaNNHlhvk0EovwUq9ikii7wWLi5ptfsbCnI9SLA6sk QDBz1fqaVDaDnvpP61anG1uzMNYRoIbZHqLfESjIZkqhAgAL7CQYJPKrBN6Ih6ydXG2A fmdAYnBGBtqvQdcGdWsZ4LKwOdPM2BUkK7Ee5bPd4wcGFCvxppRuOizhQrwlm6es2OJ0 VDJYCvu/ZWxli+D/G+R/56CcEqDoNS9fMw6dXY3PbdbDTiRC/ZhsBpr+tPCLtcMnJnwA dgLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.65.233 with SMTP id a9mr1085230vdt.42.1428059210580; Fri, 03 Apr 2015 04:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.240.145 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Apr 2015 04:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.240.145 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Apr 2015 04:06:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <551E364D.3070006@superduper.net> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 14:06:50 +0300 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Morton To: David Lang Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f3b04f709ee0512cff1b0 Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Computer generated congestion control X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 11:07:20 -0000 --20cf307f3b04f709ee0512cff1b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 David, you're preaching to the choir. Perhaps you're unaware of my recent work on cake, which is very much in the smart local decisions camp. There's some discussion on the Codel list. As I said, I'm perfectly aware that, with a dumb network, there isn't enough information at the endpoints to do the congestion control job properly. I was simply taking the discussion about Remy (which claims to do exactly that) to suggest that a slightly better job could, in theory, be done, and that the bufferbloat problem might not have been quite so severe if it had. - Jonathan Morton --20cf307f3b04f709ee0512cff1b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

David, you're preaching to the choir. Perhaps you're unaware of my recent work on cake, which is very much in the smart local decisions camp. There's some discussion on the Codel list.

As I said, I'm perfectly aware that, with a dumb network, there isn't enough information at the endpoints to do the congestion control job properly.

I was simply taking the discussion about Remy (which claims to do exactly that) to suggest that a slightly better job could, in theory, be done, and that the bufferbloat problem might not have been quite so severe if it had.

- Jonathan Morton

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