From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52f.google.com (mail-ed1-x52f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCDCC3CB37 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 18:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52f.google.com with SMTP id x3so25912857edb.10 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 15:51:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=perens.com; s=google; t=1679093470; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NeOjpq80gNLu/ErlwxqYLy5Vs4Czv+spIZeJjZb9bpc=; b=QE02RnLkYzK7nm0CnpqDbqdm2pu4v+YxJ9rwllPFm0A3RCaDebrCDdMpWjDItZGHv4 5kzNgObPTpw/4qi1t/1c0Ipfp0wA79Kg2HQeI9ZK7GR5l3vUFkh9gHZGpuMQw1e6YrTy 35WiNJslx+nDmwTd51X6H8BiqIvombiQigawk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679093470; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=NeOjpq80gNLu/ErlwxqYLy5Vs4Czv+spIZeJjZb9bpc=; b=1ZZdz2o6ji6mibA5i1NhdxntEDrfgtPET0uSYLP+vAmrzl008IBsRWdJG1WW5Xmwu6 HsfLVUZLmvwuf5gahU+m7M1yqKvQ3cA7h8NtqXTAvpHD8rwn/xktrwNRWqoEQMdjnkEZ 2WN3GsZoon9BMv5rOByDm4/dkznwJKgoxgkjaLooPp+O32uX9rJQeHV7ei4haRCjxVPS FukFeedNUvBldEsS5/VXUE8vgKkDV8ds+55xDxBt3qfNNk+5J44Mpa8vrQ4mlsN/3nkh FRSdYyhjXhbKX3+Xj3F485LFe9/GEI1+vnV3CGZLMOuQDxMnr4cNXHxSvMWT/vPCjFVO SvIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKWy8v7TGjHVhNISVj7XmH1mmloZ3siV0bEANmD0Tn6QV+t6kJ29 jRXcqOPgQ3XGife2vXUJo1rRKABP5i0jLFSC/yg50w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9Co6p+BrouFQp70LqzIyEszjqEcVT+iAAGrVZHzFQAuVp8+bP9skPA0GJvk/v0QaaAai3CLrRwzOKzp+YxdQI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4d84:b0:92e:a234:110a with SMTP id s4-20020a1709064d8400b0092ea234110amr495901eju.3.1679093469746; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 15:51:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1672786712.106922180@apps.rackspace.com> <77CCAD19-07E0-4F9E-88C1-D207CF7BF376@cable.comcast.com> <83ffc0dad19e3343e49271889369cefc@rjmcmahon.com> <3CD0B9E6-0B2A-4A70-8F53-ED0822DF77A6@gmx.de> <13DE6E53-665F-4C20-BBE2-70E685421E9D@gmx.de> <22C819FA-DDD7-4B9B-8C09-8008D4273287@gmx.de> <5e7fac51071bdbb20837e72e7eedfc7c@rjmcmahon.com> <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> <70F71290-C6CB-4D19-8A88-F0F17C0BDDA2@gmx.de> <5e0cd693c4749d128dbb48d6c1129071@rjmcmahon.com> <2ab2983d-6beb-49cb-8c35-e481cbfdc7a3@Spark> <8F56CCA3-61C4-475F-975D-99D851C6A7CF@gmx.de> <1d6c10c9a692bb3f2869fb1b40fa449a@rjmcmahon.com> <005d1e7e3e1d19bce308436e46a3ec5e@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: <005d1e7e3e1d19bce308436e46a3ec5e@rjmcmahon.com> From: Bruce Perens Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 15:50:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: rjmcmahon Cc: Sebastian Moeller , libreqos , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cf2f6705f720695b" Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 22:51:11 -0000 --000000000000cf2f6705f720695b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AFPM rjmcmahon = wrote: > I'm curious as to why the detectors have to be replaced every 10 years. Dust, grease from cooking oil vapors, insects, mold, etc. accumulate, and it's so expensive to clean those little sensors, and there is so much liability associated with them, that it's cheaper to replace the head every 10 years. Electrolytic capacitors have a limited lifetime and that is also a good reason to replace the device. The basic sensor architecture is photoelectric, the older ones used an americium pelllet that detected gas ionization which was changed by the presence of smoke. The half-life on the americium ones is at least 400 years (there is more than one isotope, that's the shortest-life one). --000000000000cf2f6705f720695b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AF= PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcm= ahon.com> wrote:
I'm curious as to why the detectors have to be replaced every 1= 0 years.

Dust, grease from cooking oil vapo= rs, insects, mold, etc. accumulate, and it's so expensive to clean thos= e little sensors, and there is so much liability associated with them, that= it's cheaper to replace=C2=A0the head every 10 years. Electrolytic cap= acitors have a limited lifetime and that is also a good reason to replace t= he device.

The basic sensor architecture is photoe= lectric, the older ones used an americium pelllet=C2=A0that detected gas io= nization which was changed by the presence of smoke. The half-life on the a= mericium ones is at least 400 years (there is more than one isotope, that&#= 39;s the shortest-life one).
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