From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com (mail-lf1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D06413B2A4 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id 202so5209387lfe.5 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 19:49:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=J6thfQaEc7lV6CN7QaGeV9DbkBZd7/96k/ZVmq/txX4=; b=VB0sy1iObEhX0pX5u6ASXHD7zcCH0Xm3gcCOdbQXFHd6Iw/AuLYCkRrpUGGcTQl5UR zw1Dfc1AJ2839koWc7WSNVXmA+XfzuT5w18Q87nojXobBtjhLl+SVEio1lnJ/Bq5Q8NX gSI28wzF4f7BGPpleQmgmuxK0eWLLiTnvTjEBEN17INCmp3q1sGam8fIrCAkFqqnaI3P i/E/bEB/+8lxyaIMxONRXi47oLW2W0uW2BUuhLhLwvP0OoOvpEw2UVbGWEsGb4rlWOxB fcHGawp5bl/nvW3L4d+O1yUE8CDpGQpsDLs+JX+ZM3sfEk0z7JJWiwhFJ/JS70ZeIhBA Lk7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=J6thfQaEc7lV6CN7QaGeV9DbkBZd7/96k/ZVmq/txX4=; b=Acr3Mdy8+2W9FS0drBsGhfTuDmf5tmh+Mk4CPDAaYF1IGDQneg5FA36eCJFVsKr9Sw AR3DzSuNs7DZBD8vUiCgDJiR7tTe4kff47Jl0/xT0MR/Gql9OuTIWfzXRI+0hRrXfDWm XYETFBWdOi3o83gXU9iKMK0qd1KCaLBHdXG+9OBfWtbuqCLwJVgnL9Gpr52AfZCdwY5H ktSUR+L3j2l/oQtwbc1VaSiFSouMgeMAiJvJtQWhJ+0Qfuhi8514Qe44Kri6D8FG7w2j GeG0sdqjORWwMMqL1fKptkD5LOf0wHvSQGFiDj2ugsggi+lNSgFcSJ4hxcAmKMS8YExK odkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533aSBFDdLEntn5PBoECgkTV4fdiZmXNOoii2FIwvAIGBiK+mgu7 oFV7J6F6dv9JNR2vxd1dUmmpjATRBXdoBzGm7vJKI7UqZFHPlQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyPgQnOshKxD8PmlqQQ07fecMiK2FSMG/noPh1LQ6Dm1um23f+jAawv1E0sYASyZgb8GUujzIo+cYvCMYBZnkg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3088:: with SMTP id z8mr12453921lfd.146.1591066169379; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 19:49:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tianhe Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:49:15 +0800 Message-ID: To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d710e705a710f5ef" Subject: [Bloat] Does employing a AQM on the home router also solve bufferbloat between home router and upstream devices? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2020 02:49:31 -0000 --000000000000d710e705a710f5ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there. I've read some materials from bufferbloat.net and other sites, trying to understand the problem as best as I can. And I have a question when reading this: From https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Bufferb= loat/ , it says: Once you fix it for your own network, it=E2=80=99ll stay fixed for all time= , and > you won=E2=80=99t be subject to changing practices at your ISP or other v= endors. > What does it mean? Does it mean that : if I employ a Smart Queue Management algorithms on my home router, it only solves the bufferbloat problem between my home devices (desktop, laptop ,cellphone) to my home router. But the buffers between my home router to upstream devices (my home router ---> modem ---> ISP routers/switches) , buffers between upstream devices, will still harm? So I only fix the bufferbloat problem on my own local network? or it mean that employing a Smart Queue Management algorithms on the home router also solve bufferbloat between home router and upstream devices? Thanks in advance. --000000000000d710e705a710f5ef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there. I've read some materials from bufferbloat.net and other sites, trying to underst= and the problem as best=C2=A0as I can.

And I have a= question=C2=A0when reading this:

From http= s://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Bufferbloat= / , it says:

Once you fix it for your own network, it=E2=80=99ll stay fixed for= all time, and you won=E2=80=99t be subject to changing practices at your I= SP or other vendors.=C2=A0=C2=A0

What does it mean?=C2=A0

Does it mean= that :

if I employ a=C2=A0Smart Queue Management = algorithms on my home router, it only solves the bufferbloat problem betwee= n my home devices (desktop, laptop ,cellphone) to my home router. But the b= uffers between my home router to upstream devices=20 (my home router=C2=A0 ---> modem ---> ISP routers/switches) , buffers between upstream devices, will still harm? So I only fix the buf= ferbloat problem on my own local network?

or it me= an that=C2=A0employing a Smart Queue Management algorithms=C2=A0on the home= router also solve bufferbloat between home router and upstream devices?

Thanks in advance.
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