From: Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com>
To: Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat in 2017
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:53:19 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALQXh-M5b8LCJ0kQhYJAR=HBegBFzetp68oWLzGKiejWKw6tEw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <548F6875-8670-4784-8A4D-9D4E6F0F20BD@gmail.com>
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> 5) But I'm not hopeful that any of the COTS router vendors are going to
> adopt these techniques, simply because they've been impervious to our
> earlier entreaties. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try again - it'd be a
> helluva competitive advantage to incorporate the 25-50 man years of intense
> software development that has gone into this work.
>
(painting with a very large brush):
But they aren't in the best position, really, to do this. Mostly their
ODMs get the BSP Linux from the chipset vendor to work, slap a UI on it,
and call it a day. And those BSPs are _ancient_. I wouldn't be surprised
to see 2.6 still coming out on new models, let alone 4.0.
To get the COTS devices to have this, we need to be able to back-port
things far enough back that we can talk QCA, Broadcom, Marvell, RTLink,
etc. to incorporate them into the BSP. But in the Sinclair vain, they like
their proprietary things (like the hardware offload engines that ignore the
linux stack as much as possible).
So, I think we need to talk to the _right_ people at the chipset vendors to
get traction on this. Smaller COTS vendors might be swayable (part of
their value over the big companies).
-Aaron
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2016-11-26 15:33 ` Rich Brown
2016-11-27 1:53 ` Aaron Wood [this message]
2016-11-27 6:10 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-27 21:24 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 2:11 ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 2:16 ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-28 6:00 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-28 12:48 ` David Collier-Brown
2016-11-28 15:12 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:23 ` Wesley Eddy
2016-11-28 15:35 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 16:58 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-28 17:07 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 19:02 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-28 17:52 ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 15:14 ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-28 15:23 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:10 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 2:47 ` David Lang
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2016-11-23 18:16 ` [Bloat] fixing " Rich Brown
2016-11-23 18:46 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:58 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 19:15 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:37 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-22 15:32 Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:19 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-22 16:25 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:38 ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-23 8:28 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 11:04 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 11:59 ` Kelvin Edmison
2016-11-23 13:31 ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-23 14:05 ` Mário Sérgio Fujikawa Ferreira
2016-11-23 17:20 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:27 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 17:31 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 17:50 ` Noah Causin
2016-11-23 17:56 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:05 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 18:38 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 19:29 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 19:42 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:20 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 17:54 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:09 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 18:18 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 18:24 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 20:39 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-23 19:13 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:17 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 15:32 ` Pedretti Fabio
2016-11-23 19:29 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-23 19:22 ` Dave Taht
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