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>
> however what we are probably seeing with the measurement flows is
> slow start causing a whole bunch of packets to be lost in a bunch.
>

That would line up with the timing, and the periodic drops that I see in
the flows when using Toke's newer wrapper (and netperf head), which attempt
to work around the failing UDP timing flows.

-Aaron

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">however what we are probably seeing with the mea=
surement flows is<br>

slow start causing a whole bunch of packets to be lost in a bunch.<br></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>That would line up with the timing, and the per=
iodic drops that I see in the flows when using Toke&#39;s newer wrapper (an=
d netperf head), which attempt to work around the failing UDP timing flows.=
=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Aaron</div></div></div></div>

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