From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x231.google.com (mail-qk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487963CB54 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2018 01:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id i184so10251992qkf.10 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:35:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RK6tQ/bz1+D+guBE5ebaihJg4Gz41DsVjEIZUGOcuwQ=; b=LIzQnNrKKo+udcjtZFwiGEiO9C6oiAFHizPnXkmc5KLUPg1qV1fRIg5bQMZDJ1ONIW SbgAl8Hxv0pr+mL7B+ot0Bo5w4b2fCIPiVQmEUnYherUlzFkkIA8z27kwuZGjc51TVfC 6UVpbb/91rgTXpwlGNqIS2wahBoLuMQYizVsf1LJilDbhAPLUnr3hux78m2ditvFRORO DikKI1JShwXjmmh6QySerTsR9pAPYhNVcgGJ1ETBcWEBLV5o/eeSNEaXKFpyrgH6m8ev CknULmBhJFUN9kxA5U8yyw5sqGifrvD+0vEdLh3MrTrF90qusRH72KIHjmAccoV/+Y5y xVuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RK6tQ/bz1+D+guBE5ebaihJg4Gz41DsVjEIZUGOcuwQ=; b=XEbI84XoIty25o3ha9WLScD2Y604+pWJb19EVVReuagu4G7m3jfm2WX6ekom7XdXtV 0Nhh+291IG8S/Pkq2ffNuLDA+2s+6BL8dCGnZFWRS2sGca+fvFI9CHV5mflh3UezkThi c9pGGn4VCfVv29LTX2dh/Osme/PGXs4xEnOex/E9ht6/q0E4z3pc48L32SZh9jVzVzZf tMA6qCpQYAf5Jeb7kYGk88x/sxBUu8HD+KyJVwCxDa2BgI7K6fsr1Hc4vxFpn6UPZsAv pZj9uvjL7ClrTbMo7NbtKtxSWWSZ0ChC/KImX0TaL/1MTJp32DdSIWixvt+6LtFxuVuT mtEA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAHfwDrmoG4gtkTTy47hW+nNhwjBaiS2A2yxMhGTv0ur9NTDThk /lfNKWOC5mVNEGgoRVMvtfWVD5HpJWOgw4UaKYY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225wHRSEUVWGn0tcXMg7c+TRy/V7Udx9b+0Akbr/eOuIyRLu2vCBwWeanPs6yHWMy+QV7VNH+i9GIlqI3qqF14U= X-Received: by 10.55.154.207 with SMTP id c198mr239983qke.313.1518503751955; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:35:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.128.130 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:35:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Aaron Wood Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:35:51 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Jim Gettys , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0547e8b9b89f0565123471" Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 06:35:57 -0000 --94eb2c0547e8b9b89f0565123471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'd focus on the distributors of the Linux BSP used on those routers: the silicon vendors themselves. Current routers shouldn't be shipping with 3.2 kernels, or even 3.10, and yet... ::sigh:: I find it very frustrating they they fork the kernel for their own use, instead of maintaining patches for the vanilla kernels. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > I would certainly like to see translations and outreach into China... > Taiwan... Japan... India... Central and South America... Africa... > > but to me the simpler thing would be to garner folk to ask at > vendor/isp press conferences: "Have you implemented RFC8290 yet? If > not, when?" > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --94eb2c0547e8b9b89f0565123471 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd focus on the distributors of the Linux BSP used on= those routers: =C2=A0the silicon vendors themselves.=C2=A0 Current routers= shouldn't be shipping with 3.2 kernels, or even 3.10, and yet... =C2= =A0::sigh::

I find it very frustrating they they fork th= e kernel for their own use, instead of maintaining patches for the vanilla = kernels.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
I would certainly like t= o see translations and outreach into China...
Taiwan... Japan... India... Central and South America... Africa...

but to me the simpler thing would be to garner folk to ask at
vendor/isp press conferences: "Have you implemented RFC8290 yet? If not, when?"
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