From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x62b.google.com (mail-ej1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BB163B29D for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id kt15so9405963ejb.12 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:58:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=b/nWz9bBzYbqs0c6YDJ11hr1wrWvtQx7lsochnxENZc=; b=CqTiH4pf7mz7Uk2WYQ91U4MWyogaqmc5ig3sBpmDaU6+QAok/EqLvbwn58uv2eAY7q ok9SYucNd2QHqSzZMrEXC2gjt0LF7afeZqPRUlXmBjRvw9IDyneC6rrV4y8HZ1JeN0pY Xp0wBFmY3W2JlTV6S2u93Y8P2TpohhkTlpYKL7EWResAL7LUp3JpSanShkGnpf0Qi8qZ JyQDeWhWysoONBcDJSbX45VbAwlzLbLFswb185IjMhgut0YgMrvZMZoFRV3k13ULetBJ ILzE0MVu22Hwjh42RNVy/SZzvq1duWc9udCXrvenxN9jzA7FeNDXl9ui1/eZZ/O+FNJi stAg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=b/nWz9bBzYbqs0c6YDJ11hr1wrWvtQx7lsochnxENZc=; b=PADGYVHsYC3wHoPjXt79ieuAv/8fEXAS+NM/ESuWVL5ncMiwyqaeBEIfNHIynGf8Kx E2iP1NCJ1UJezeRN3bYMCioi5rM1pGfJTyksMo5NUnWSec3AbHNuiagUC66MdNlfg1jd AJlhfnYJ2GLi7yICjSPNJSq5oV4FwDd7p+OdbHvtH5lvHUakM7HEWQP8FruQrdyWv1hk yZ+vllSgDqVm15HlPDDzvkk4hv+xj7LyJDLfzp8tivnp/Y+CM5CwY0liSTDeCF/fkcbi J+9Pc3145WD2XvHscK5sOG6jYdc+/42PtWD09aPZW23PPg7OccpZxABvf1SWmRP5T9BF Nvhg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Qbwki+ZJWUljgibjNB5TghTCbDkjcG2TXC6jiiq8YQ1TBRH18 jNBij1xiWHr+jx36L1fGerCy617BcSAkPx9jApAUxlDL X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyyR7KTDqQri7wNwzf0lRpOdVAoh4+f1xZxiuYtiUH/hXePqONhdboh4jankpz9RpX+6+ucG8IyZ1CcQ2v87LQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:8308:: with SMTP id j8mr15999795ejx.339.1616777927514; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aaron Wood Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:58:36 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Foulkes Cc: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000cdb7405be73724f" Subject: Re: [Bloat] fcc input X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:58:48 -0000 --0000000000000cdb7405be73724f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm still surprised at how hard it is to get people to understand that the problem they're having (especially with real-time video like Zoom) isn't bandwidth, but jitter and bloat... On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:52 PM Jonathan Foulkes wrote: > Agreed, we need to be more vocal. > > I did look up my home address, and wonder of wonders it was mostly correc= t. > > Windstream claims they provide fiber (1000/1000) in my census track, but > the only fiber they have goes to their HFC nodes that then feeds coax to > the home. Best one can get is 1000/35. Not that I=E2=80=99m complaining, = as I was > stuck on 12 / 0.76 DSL for >decade. > > So ISPs are stretching the truth with some of the self-reported info. > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > > > On Mar 23, 2021, at 12:11 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/22/22345533/fcc-broadband-data-collection= -program-fix-the-internet > > > > Although I would like to pull together a loud and organized campaign > > about bufferbloat > > to the FCC, a few letters here or there, might start to help. We could > > definitely use some new rhetoric.... > > > > -- > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > > relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman > > > > dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --0000000000000cdb7405be73724f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm still surprised at how hard it is to get people to= understand that the problem they're having (especially with real-time = video like Zoom) isn't bandwidth, but jitter and bloat...

On Wed, Mar 24= , 2021 at 12:52 PM Jonathan Foulkes <jf@jonathanfoulkes.com> wrote:
Agre= ed, we need to be more vocal.

I did look up my home address, and wonder of wonders it was mostly correct.=

Windstream claims they provide fiber (1000/1000) in my census track, but th= e only fiber they have goes to their HFC nodes that then feeds coax to the = home. Best one can get is 1000/35. Not that I=E2=80=99m complaining, as I w= as stuck on 12 / 0.76 DSL for >decade.

So ISPs are stretching the truth with some of the self-reported info.

Cheers,

Jonathan

> On Mar 23, 2021, at 12:11 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/22/22345533/fcc-broadband-data-collectio= n-program-fix-the-internet
>
> Although I would like to pull together a loud and organized campaign > about bufferbloat
> to the FCC, a few letters here or there, might start to help. We could=
> definitely use some new rhetoric....
>
> --
> "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over p= ublic
> relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman<= br> >
> dave@taht.net &= lt;Dave T=C3=A4ht> CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729
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