From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x22e.google.com (mail-oi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46E613B25E for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id y2so73292751oie.0 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:48:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1c4CLwrwyuas3yeta4qLUM0YWLWmpAycUAcwdZzEj5U=; b=zDXq+YhevY7XRKOc8Nfr4XK1u9v2zYqxhCQ00qK0eo2ohTpgBvUtswkKQFLBUZ1Nwi vOyNbdXa5zyXVrQcc+3KT5QiQfy4XUfhpXZKbp5ZN+8uqGL/ZuhQeVAgu2zJjKIyrP6j 3Ng/BGcerc5zTSpgpdN4cMLR2ZA88NzZO+lPzO8blo6ydbi8yKrDOQZkTFSXrVfN3GEa PpOIu4tborW8XHMVB5gZ1ZRRceDkehqPwzPWo8CzfsrbLNyvpSxod0Y3I9CVgnm2EE1l F8vM/buOSekb3HYugod+IS2w7jP1n+2zVLxLO6XWTIEwNy8WvkyzN0+JKyt9iDmbkNDK sfJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1c4CLwrwyuas3yeta4qLUM0YWLWmpAycUAcwdZzEj5U=; b=Ab/Z+WtmH4woZw1crErIQQ2TfaWycSIH2XDSIwhNw28XekVAx5wywHxVrUhHU26vlj TI7ls1wZbnfDSLt1bcQfSUcM8S6Bcd+U6W7nXoATTtAxIEi8ulBJVcpTA03hAg7WxgeE E9VluUYCj6vPrYxhSY1OU8WCCWAsZyynqu84jV3QpXsGNwOwgkdB/yjaHBRM54/qQZnb B72Rx4BEULj0WDRknHmeyeDdsWQB/avROJtBLf8YKbXRYeAJYjkHgx0UVlAxfsGfnzxC iTVyDE+iQVRdipNKQ0OAFUAMGy96Cl+437Ov+LJuxdHfsNd10WKYEttUCPpucOFpzXqb KgwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvfEXFECCoGVq4Vu+x++B4K4obG7TujmVi21AvUJNf+7R5Bou/75HzW/O+wz+1+SHqQh++1SN32Fol8X8Q== X-Received: by 10.157.12.182 with SMTP id b51mr7242288otb.248.1477597697704; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:48:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.221.106 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5a2d4224-3f4e-80f0-3b0b-b2fbbdd59697@gmail.com> <77a4abf0-bc94-0d2e-eebe-d72e2e676255@gmail.com> From: Aaron Wood Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:48:16 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: David Lang , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114083b0e48746053fde05e7 Subject: Re: [Bloat] 22 seconds til bloat on gfiber? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:48:18 -0000 --001a114083b0e48746053fde05e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Take, for example, the over-optimistic fiber build-out that > essentially terminated in 2000 - it's taken 16 years to use all that > up.... > That sounds like it was in the right ballpark. Trenching is so expensive, only doing it every couple decades sounds like a reasonable plan (even better if you trench conduit that you can run replaceable cables in (which is what AT&T did when they took U-Verse into the Santa Cruz mountains). -Aaron --001a114083b0e48746053fde05e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Take, for example, the over-optimistic fiber build-out that
essentially terminated in 2000 - it's taken 16 years to use all that up....

That sounds like it was in the r= ight ballpark.=C2=A0 Trenching is so expensive, only doing it every couple = decades sounds like a reasonable plan (even better if you trench conduit th= at you can run replaceable cables in (which is what AT&T did when they = took U-Verse into the Santa Cruz mountains).

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