From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x636.google.com (mail-ej1-x636.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::636]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D72D93B29D for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ej1-x636.google.com with SMTP id b9so10711845ejy.0 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:14:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2TspcyYePEkomonVgw4oeieqmsOZqlsJxOmrRAlNvMk=; b=u+unmujrfQd1cEappWOPU7n8Q3eRFEB9djjtwQrpXQdY3CWD0XTahJEvNc1OOgF5YO yCSpsYNnYdYV3KlriAnIBJBrQcqoAzq4P89wxeTYeOGirh7SKKJVnK+qVRBSG5G2yqG+ 2TlRslbDBw2stqiciA4lYkwuxj2oCRK11beUpkhTW9H6Y2QP7MbUoCM8viFn5i8eEYDo JTlP5LhXK3sRR7wf1QE5T1hnqleZMO3/voicZBRHST50fAFX2zM0p+Z4K/zBlbNeOqD3 d43U9R/wRetjEPBhTOVmDRz48hAPromZWUjxIE3bnJjrMzLcnzITTjZcZGGZQOHU7+G9 9IUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2TspcyYePEkomonVgw4oeieqmsOZqlsJxOmrRAlNvMk=; b=hM/9p9LYt05aBkuHAtNk5+IPy0sHBfhwiVcQBpXKRMZFZT3lN7eSfkzL/FavP3NoD4 7FnnPhyKa0zYUAI1MmKdFhzKdpgF+aspePF9xNLZSY6I/jCgPWg8jDMwbSl4th+9QrcP FdeRazjdb44EbOpmQMvH+tGS2sIdzzA+vyPRnD+uv4m+Ax7552GcRhaB/0rNVJdv/YC7 u+Yh46svS+JE/DcdS4p0Q5zMsZaqto4u75U3BWxT61PH+IqFg2OWRcNjRhFAuGEMz7yV LqUgjvZWmhKD0yeVTRujDiL5dNQPWy9vvz05rg/qMvomO06aYtzWlXsgfFWCP8ICDX+E pi8g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53376VQO/8UTLeMiXLIMezDiDHNkIB78lnXsMIXFLeVsXk9ZUVtd 495y80/85r8yF6aBntB7VH4c/SarYyuubdB6GEs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyg1G63Rfpde1DjfRvoAK0s7axg1Ppi9R+Ic/SdpWDMOfIXzBZh1AkeM7hAKT7VQIILxJmhciqPf3cS2+Q3+W8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:4271:: with SMTP id nq1mr12790463ejb.358.1608495249901; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:14:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aaron Wood Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:13:58 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fe4c6005b6eafbf2" Subject: Re: [Bloat] pquic + fq_codel + lowrtt + multipath X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 20:14:11 -0000 --000000000000fe4c6005b6eafbf2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those are great results. I've been thinking for a while that algorithms / techniques like fq-codel would be great if packaged into library form where they could be utilized by application-layers. Obviously, not all application-layer queues can deal with loss like TCP, but for all those that can, it would be a really nice thing to have. And for those loads that cannot, maybe they should be rethought into ways to add better backpressure... On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:54 AM Dave Taht wrote: > the lowrtt scheduler is pretty impressive as an example of what can be > additionally achieved at the application layer. See pp 49- > > https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1451478/FULLTEXT02 > > -- > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman > > dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --000000000000fe4c6005b6eafbf2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Those are great results.

I've been = thinking for a while that algorithms / techniques=C2=A0like fq-codel would = be great if packaged into library form where they could be utilized by appl= ication-layers.=C2=A0 Obviously, not all application-layer queues can deal = with loss like TCP, but for all those that can, it would be a really nice t= hing to have.

And for those loads that cannot, may= be they should be rethought into ways to add better backpressure...

On= Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:54 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
the l= owrtt scheduler is pretty impressive as an example of what can be
additionally achieved at the application layer. See pp 49-

https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/= diva2:1451478/FULLTEXT02

--
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public=
relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman

dave@taht.net <Da= ve T=C3=A4ht> CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729
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