From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52c.google.com (mail-ed1-x52c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498D33B29E for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 14:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id g32-v6so15643012edg.13 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 11:14:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bOreWzM62B4Ev+djxlzR4zcSzbnluXrU2nV+GOISEq8=; b=jK746ZmkICAwmNP7K5hNMQ1RlgVjBgiSJiBlALvSbO00GPasXjQjHZhQkKROXdniF6 EXCSQiUojIW1YnaeCuotYbCNiYQsg3rWHWET4Z2T2tObjXo+ViWS4LXFZBXb6UG7wu+Z Z/XxQvxArLulyhVHClsYE0wM3SPVBYaC5mnjrMJRyK+yTeSgc6T7MzmOEpfdZV3Ck1O5 rwUW5+5/MKW5Z4LeIka4m4FGSMWEATwlLext5dmKj3mzY5QvV2n4aWQk7USkFWyCBh1i G2rtZDZ/bGGaD60jHQyCZpMcYn0Njlh4DVkiDT7nXG+WUD0sMZ1gaB1G4/pg+KhG/sfG jYVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bOreWzM62B4Ev+djxlzR4zcSzbnluXrU2nV+GOISEq8=; b=LoYYgatXGC3IRPBGDaePLijMauF5v/vbTlohdr5leNt46BLN8Rc5PE09dwHCEU98VQ 19yKSeIk8HXQhoXX59VY8qoFE4eXrYqk/YauUVh1m6+wxSQWcTpb7hADgWXhoBi4yydb 7hbttR2UaafFkOiPzZdxtlfhl7NA3KFVmb82PgoZyHNq0EZlh7/juzOgWC0MRyFMudJ4 ryMydEngMfeyc3vqMwUnOxkXcNn5vNvOhJa7cJHboL9mzL2/vFRb81IDslnSSuEDjYX7 +3Xz7zP3D1jf7+3tD06YywvRe0826P4NltD6T9eATTXlCAPX7DQVsHVcgGva4Z51r9Zo +MQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfojmNWPDgawf9ftejktYR53V+FcQRkSMEGr7zwULlUDN/+nxKjJx j6gSsT3Ss08oYHuJXBdM8l6imBGRyeIX9VNsG2xojg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV62dWTI81UtMpJaFbANTP/HFHG496q9ebSpGa+v6oT0pLw6UIFKKKcymonh5/XFTdOpZ24w45tbBPcwgpw5jFQI= X-Received: by 2002:a50:a1c6:: with SMTP id 64-v6mr2695716edk.88.1538936077047; Sun, 07 Oct 2018 11:14:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4be3777e-b056-eaea-a06e-34186958c179@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Aaron Wood Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2018 11:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: bcronce@gmail.com, bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000345bd20577a77a18" Subject: Re: [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2018 18:14:38 -0000 --000000000000345bd20577a77a18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe he's on a DOCSIS 3.1 headend that's also using pie? Pie doesn't need to know the outbound rate, correct? as it's meant to be driven by the RTS/CTS type behavior that the upstream traffic on cable has (the correct terms for cable aren't coming to mind at the moment). On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 9:07 AM Dave Taht wrote: > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:41 AM Benjamin Cronce wrote: > > > > Quote from the link > > "With 24 download and 8 upload channels, the Arris can get download > speeds of up to a gigabit if your plan offers it. I'm too cheap for that > experience right now, but its nice to have it as a possible option for th= e > future. Now for the pleasant surprise. With my previous modem/router comb= o, > I usually got D's and F's on the DSLreports.com speedtest which also > measures bufferbloat. With the Arris, I consitently get A's and only an > occasional B. Why should you care? Bufferbloat is high latency (or lag) > that occurs when there's other traffic on your network. It can adversely > affect streaming performance. Geeks have spent years developing router > firmwares to combat it. I adjusted nothing and tweaked no settings to get > these results. This benefit is not touted in any of the specs, but the te= st > results speak for themselves. " > > Except that he didn't actually post those results. Certainly I expect > pie, but I was praying also for inbound shaping. > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:10 AM Jan Ceuleers > wrote: > >> > >> On 06/10/18 05:14, Dave Taht wrote: > >> > I would so love for the review on this to be true. > >> > > >> > > https://express.google.com/product/Arris-SURFboard-Cable-Modem-and-AC2350= -Wi-Fi-Router-with-Arris-Secure-Home-Internet-by-McAfee/0_17937886568302066= 345_0 > >> > > >> > >> Could you post a link that can be viewed from outside the US? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bloat mailing list > >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-205-9740 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --000000000000345bd20577a77a18 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe he's on a DOCSIS 3.1 headend that's also usi= ng pie?=C2=A0 Pie doesn't need to know the outbound rate, correct? =C2= =A0as it's meant to be driven by the RTS/CTS type behavior that the ups= tream traffic on cable has (the correct terms for cable aren't coming t= o mind at the moment).

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 9:07 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:41 AM Benjamin Cronce <bcronce@gmail.com> wrote: >
> Quote from the link
> "With 24 download and 8 upload channels, the Arris can get downlo= ad speeds of up to a gigabit if your plan offers it. I'm too cheap for = that experience right now, but its nice to have it as a possible option for= the future. Now for the pleasant surprise. With my previous modem/router c= ombo, I usually got D's and F's on the DSLreports.com speedtest whi= ch also measures bufferbloat. With the Arris, I consitently get A's and= only an occasional B. Why should you care? Bufferbloat is high latency (or= lag) that occurs when there's other traffic on your network. It can ad= versely affect streaming performance. Geeks have spent years developing rou= ter firmwares to combat it. I adjusted nothing and tweaked no settings to g= et these results. This benefit is not touted in any of the specs, but the t= est results speak for themselves. "

Except that he didn't actually post those results. Certainly I expect pie, but I was praying also for inbound shaping.

> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:10 AM Jan Ceuleers <jan.ceuleers@gmail.com> wrote:=
>>
>> On 06/10/18 05:14, Dave Taht wrote:
>> > I would so love for the review on this to be true.
>> >
>> > https://= express.google.com/product/Arris-SURFboard-Cable-Modem-and-AC2350-Wi-Fi-Rou= ter-with-Arris-Secure-Home-Internet-by-McAfee/0_17937886568302066345_0<= br> >> >
>>
>> Could you post a link that can be viewed from outside the US?
>> _______________________________________________
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>> B= loat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
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