* [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? @ 2018-10-06 3:14 Dave Taht 2018-10-06 8:10 ` Jan Ceuleers 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2018-10-06 3:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bloat I would so love for the review on this to be true. https://express.google.com/product/Arris-SURFboard-Cable-Modem-and-AC2350-Wi-Fi-Router-with-Arris-Secure-Home-Internet-by-McAfee/0_17937886568302066345_0 -- Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? 2018-10-06 3:14 [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? Dave Taht @ 2018-10-06 8:10 ` Jan Ceuleers 2018-10-06 15:41 ` Benjamin Cronce 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Jan Ceuleers @ 2018-10-06 8:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bloat On 06/10/18 05:14, Dave Taht wrote: > I would so love for the review on this to be true. > > https://express.google.com/product/Arris-SURFboard-Cable-Modem-and-AC2350-Wi-Fi-Router-with-Arris-Secure-Home-Internet-by-McAfee/0_17937886568302066345_0 > Could you post a link that can be viewed from outside the US? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? 2018-10-06 8:10 ` Jan Ceuleers @ 2018-10-06 15:41 ` Benjamin Cronce 2018-10-06 16:07 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Benjamin Cronce @ 2018-10-06 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Ceuleers; +Cc: bloat [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1406 bytes --] Quote from the link "With 24 download and 8 upload channels, the Arris can get download speeds of up to a gigabit if your plan offers it. I'm too cheap for that experience right now, but its nice to have it as a possible option for the future. Now for the pleasant surprise. With my previous modem/router combo, I usually got D's and F's on the DSLreports.com speedtest which also measures bufferbloat. With the Arris, I consitently get A's and only an occasional B. Why should you care? Bufferbloat is high latency (or lag) that occurs when there's other traffic on your network. It can adversely affect streaming performance. Geeks have spent years developing router firmwares to combat it. I adjusted nothing and tweaked no settings to get these results. This benefit is not touted in any of the specs, but the test results speak for themselves. " On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:10 AM Jan Ceuleers <jan.ceuleers@gmail.com> wrote: > On 06/10/18 05:14, Dave Taht wrote: > > I would so love for the review on this to be true. > > > > > https://express.google.com/product/Arris-SURFboard-Cable-Modem-and-AC2350-Wi-Fi-Router-with-Arris-Secure-Home-Internet-by-McAfee/0_17937886568302066345_0 > > > > Could you post a link that can be viewed from outside the US? > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2113 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? 2018-10-06 15:41 ` Benjamin Cronce @ 2018-10-06 16:07 ` Dave Taht 2018-10-07 18:14 ` Aaron Wood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2018-10-06 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Benjamin Cronce; +Cc: Jan Ceuleers, bloat On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:41 AM Benjamin Cronce <bcronce@gmail.com> wrote: > > Quote from the link > "With 24 download and 8 upload channels, the Arris can get download speeds of up to a gigabit if your plan offers it. I'm too cheap for that experience right now, but its nice to have it as a possible option for the future. Now for the pleasant surprise. With my previous modem/router combo, I usually got D's and F's on the DSLreports.com speedtest which also measures bufferbloat. With the Arris, I consitently get A's and only an occasional B. Why should you care? Bufferbloat is high latency (or lag) that occurs when there's other traffic on your network. It can adversely affect streaming performance. Geeks have spent years developing router firmwares to combat it. I adjusted nothing and tweaked no settings to get these results. This benefit is not touted in any of the specs, but the test results speak for themselves. " Except that he didn't actually post those results. Certainly I expect pie, but I was praying also for inbound shaping. > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:10 AM Jan Ceuleers <jan.ceuleers@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 06/10/18 05:14, Dave Taht wrote: >> > I would so love for the review on this to be true. >> > >> > https://express.google.com/product/Arris-SURFboard-Cable-Modem-and-AC2350-Wi-Fi-Router-with-Arris-Secure-Home-Internet-by-McAfee/0_17937886568302066345_0 >> > >> >> Could you post a link that can be viewed from outside the US? >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat -- Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-205-9740 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? 2018-10-06 16:07 ` Dave Taht @ 2018-10-07 18:14 ` Aaron Wood 2018-10-08 3:36 ` Mikael Abrahamsson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2018-10-07 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: bcronce, bloat [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2495 bytes --] Maybe he's on a DOCSIS 3.1 headend that's also using pie? Pie doesn't need to know the outbound rate, correct? as it's meant to be driven by the RTS/CTS type behavior that the upstream traffic on cable has (the correct terms for cable aren't coming to mind at the moment). On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 9:07 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:41 AM Benjamin Cronce <bcronce@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Quote from the link > > "With 24 download and 8 upload channels, the Arris can get download > speeds of up to a gigabit if your plan offers it. I'm too cheap for that > experience right now, but its nice to have it as a possible option for the > future. Now for the pleasant surprise. With my previous modem/router combo, > I usually got D's and F's on the DSLreports.com speedtest which also > measures bufferbloat. With the Arris, I consitently get A's and only an > occasional B. Why should you care? Bufferbloat is high latency (or lag) > that occurs when there's other traffic on your network. It can adversely > affect streaming performance. Geeks have spent years developing router > firmwares to combat it. I adjusted nothing and tweaked no settings to get > these results. This benefit is not touted in any of the specs, but the test > results speak for themselves. " > > Except that he didn't actually post those results. Certainly I expect > pie, but I was praying also for inbound shaping. > > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:10 AM Jan Ceuleers <jan.ceuleers@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> On 06/10/18 05:14, Dave Taht wrote: > >> > I would so love for the review on this to be true. > >> > > >> > > https://express.google.com/product/Arris-SURFboard-Cable-Modem-and-AC2350-Wi-Fi-Router-with-Arris-Secure-Home-Internet-by-McAfee/0_17937886568302066345_0 > >> > > >> > >> Could you post a link that can be viewed from outside the US? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bloat mailing list > >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > -- > > Dave Täht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-205-9740 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3809 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bloat] first bufferbloat free cablemodem? 2018-10-07 18:14 ` Aaron Wood @ 2018-10-08 3:36 ` Mikael Abrahamsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Mikael Abrahamsson @ 2018-10-08 3:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Dave Taht, bloat On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, Aaron Wood wrote: > Maybe he's on a DOCSIS 3.1 headend that's also using pie? Pie doesn't need > to know the outbound rate, correct? as it's meant to be driven by the > RTS/CTS type behavior that the upstream traffic on cable has (the correct > terms for cable aren't coming to mind at the moment). Correct, PIE acts on the queue just like CODEL. From what I can tell, PIE is a queue discipline that can be implemented on hardware that supports WRED (which most can) with the help of extra software and some CPU cycles to tune it over time. That's why HW manufacturers like PIE. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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