From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x62f.google.com (mail-ej1-x62f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEF9E3CB52 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 18:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x62f.google.com with SMTP id hr1so117812ejc.1 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=e/MCJV1mkVgkRXRB6bQvVQQSvm/iO0AM+rI3E9iLw/U=; b=bJR7Q1YO8Y6FyhtRfLjrqpeJa/B3rv/YtKwBBm2mQkmzkXCOrFLRloq1FM7LQHlIlI G5IQ6eZKO2gF4RQVjASc7D7r9B81KR0XGcqZi/QXlDkJrU6hKOjGBuc7B84kfJCp7XUM McmEYmiSYpX1ybDU9BlL0WqVKWOkSYGn+EHenMCYhZP0zgaf2GBSduYtezHPEFzLKtvq 5drXvk+Wd5Lps8dVQ2BodDoLtgoBW5qbDqhtL6eCVtyDuIDitbCHmYu9ulyur4yjDr6V ZVb+ldTP67N42IFqaaC/GSGNgMY1lvaZW9N5lrHc7e0u1MgQwuUymJRTTNvPf+5Uk3dv geww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e/MCJV1mkVgkRXRB6bQvVQQSvm/iO0AM+rI3E9iLw/U=; b=lOHj+RXBfWJfhPhISYkwv1pw50RdVK0Mfdla32JavPAdKtz1IVf9IoYUVzxc4EWCiC Q3ZSCjTi4zJzzTFj8KIe1JjKTDSu3ObHnqFUOhSn7PrJcv98z3cHe0yVi3Yhjvev4kEr iPcfgc76tBE13W8PsQN8CP+iDGqA8QxOmaKa5n09ge7f5+4E/NYXIQQLw27xS37UHyMg x4Ken2og41yZVwjtszgttxN1ZlZdFAO5LzjMkXuoUaDWYtN3o2ADcKpi2cStMb6jaRGl QtO/2UIAtg66+iyRSv2OheQTER/EkxssNQNa+3b69g71tsbzjgLrrVhIcE37CVAxyDFZ AHmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532LjZ1sUtHNhTBHqd9N7QpJ2zuXF+V5bFvz75SbFDYPPnRJkhnK CcnFKhAfsmcUbKGpAPFHSGAfaygfI2XVlzIpn0Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwbMSa/E4QNsvFo5URLkO495OqThgEY0E/+9J4jb7O5m8iIUMtsXmvwb9mh/Zavv1aGr6R7wFitdFd9PPRDrNk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:9687:: with SMTP id hd7mr20491721ejc.339.1625610717620; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:31:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210621210048.628befdb@hermes.local> <38CC4C4D-AE42-4629-8472-16BCC0DEAFEA@gmx.de> <2dbdf457-5652-6b74-7014-3bf79dde6bc9@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <2dbdf457-5652-6b74-7014-3bf79dde6bc9@gmx.com> From: Aaron Wood Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 15:31:46 -0700 Message-ID: To: Giuseppe De Luca Cc: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005deee105c67bfde2" Subject: Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:31:58 -0000 --0000000000005deee105c67bfde2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm running an Odyssey from Seeed Studios (celeron J4125 with dual i211), and it can handle Cake at 1Gbps on a single core (which it needs to, because OpenWRT's i211 support still has multiple receive queues disabled). On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:44 AM Giuseppe De Luca wrote: > Also a PC Engines APU4 will do the job > (https://inonius.net/results/?userId=17996087f5e8 - this is a > 1gbit/1gbit, with Openwrt/sqm-scripts set to 900/900. ISP is Sony NURO > in Japan). Will follow this thread to know if some interesting device > popup :) > > > https://inonius.net/results/?userId=17996087f5e8 > > On 6/22/2021 6:12 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > > > On 22 June 2021 06:00:48 CEST, Stephen Hemminger < > stephen@networkplumber.org> wrote: > >> Is there any consumer hardware that can actually keep up and do AQM at > >> 1Gbit. > > Over in the OpenWrt forums the same question pops up routinely > once per week. The best answer ATM seems to be a combination of a raspberry > pi4B with a decent USB3 gigabit ethernet dongle, a managed switch and any > capable (OpenWrt) AP of the user's liking. With 4 arm A72 cores the will > traffic shape up to a gigabit as reported by multiple users. > > > > > >> It seems everyone seems obsessed with gamer Wifi 6. But can only do > >> 300Mbit single > >> stream with any kind of QoS. > > IIUC most commercial home routers/APs bet on offload engines to do most > of the heavy lifting, but as far as I understand only the NSS cores have a > shaper and fq_codel module.... > > > > > >> It doesn't help that all the local ISP's claim 10Mbit upload even with > >> 1G download. > >> Is this a head end provisioning problem or related to Docsis 3.0 (or > >> later) modems? > > For DOCSIS the issue seems to be an unfortunate frequency split between > up and downstream and use of lower efficiency coding schemes . > > Over here the incumbent cable isp provisions fifty Mbps for upstream > and plans to increase that to hundred once the upstream is switched to > docsis 3.1. > > I believe one issue is that since most of the upstream is required for > the reverse ACK traffic for the download and hence it can not be > oversubscribed too much.... but I think we have real docsis experts on the > list, so I will stop my speculation here... > > > > Regards > > Sebastian > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bloat mailing list > >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --0000000000005deee105c67bfde2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm running an Odyssey from Seeed Studios=C2=A0(celero= n J4125 with dual i211), and it can handle Cake at 1Gbps on a single core (= which it needs to, because OpenWRT's=C2=A0i211 support still has multip= le receive queues disabled).

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:44 AM Giuseppe De = Luca <dropheaders@gmx.com>= wrote:
Also a PC Engines APU4 will do the job (https://inonius.net/results/?userId=3D17996087f5e= 8 - this is a
1gbit/1gbit, with Openwrt/sqm-scripts set to 900/900.=C2=A0 ISP is Sony NUR= O
in Japan). Will follow this thread to know if some interesting device
popup :)


https://inonius.net/results/?userId=3D17996087f5e8=

On 6/22/2021 6:12 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
>
> On 22 June 2021 06:00:48 CEST, Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org> wrote:
>> Is there any consumer hardware that can actually keep up and do AQ= M at
>> 1Gbit.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Over in the OpenWrt forums the same = question pops up routinely once per week. The best answer ATM seems to be a= combination of a raspberry pi4B with a decent USB3 gigabit ethernet dongle= , a managed switch and any capable (OpenWrt) AP of the user's liking. W= ith 4 arm A72 cores the will traffic shape up to a gigabit as reported by m= ultiple users.
>
>
>> It seems everyone seems obsessed with gamer Wifi 6. But can only d= o
>> 300Mbit single
>> stream with any kind of QoS.
> IIUC most commercial home routers/APs bet on offload engines to do mos= t of the heavy lifting, but as far as I understand only the NSS cores have = a shaper and fq_codel module....
>
>
>> It doesn't help that all the local ISP's claim 10Mbit uplo= ad even with
>> 1G download.
>> Is this a head end provisioning problem or related to Docsis 3.0 (= or
>> later) modems?
> For DOCSIS the issue seems to be an unfortunate frequency split betwee= n up and downstream and use of lower efficiency coding schemes .
> Over here the incumbent cable isp provisions=C2=A0 fifty Mbps for upst= ream and plans to increase that to hundred once the upstream is switched to= docsis 3.1.
> I believe one issue is that since most of the upstream is required for= the reverse ACK traffic for the download and hence it can not be oversubsc= ribed too much.... but I think we have real docsis experts on the list, so = I will stop my speculation here...
>
> Regards
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sebastian
>
>
>
>
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