From: Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com>
To: davecb@spamcop.net
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] graphing airtime fairness in wifi
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:48:31 -0700 [thread overview]
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What about a strip-chart with multiple lanes for every device. Then use
either a line graph or a spectrograph (color of band) style marking to show
data rate used at that time. If the main goal is fairness and airtime,
then the eye can visually compute that based on how evenly spread out the
slices of usage are, and can identify problematic places based on color of
the band (or height of the line, if using a spark-lines instead of patches
of color.
I've done this in the past to visualize offline devices in a mesh network,
and the result of that was _very_ useful for showing how losing one node
takes out the ones that needed to route through it, also useful for showing
when failures were time-correlated or not.
Multicast messages could then be shown as grey bands across the whole set
of spectrum, and inter-packet as just whitespace (or maybe thin black
lines).
If you were more interested in showing sent vs. received, then you could do
two stripes per station, one for tx and one for rx.
For higher encoding rates, the preamble could be shown in the 1Mbps/11Mbps
color, and then the rest of the payload in a different color for the MCS
used. That will show efficient aggregation vs. inefficient aggregation.
Hmm... I kinda want to sketch this up using matplotlib. I've used a
couple pcap libraries (like scapy) with python. They're not fast, though
(scapy does about 2500pps in reading/parsing pcap files on my computer).
That might be better if it was told to only parse the radio-tap header and
ignore the rest of the packet.
-Aaron
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:42 PM, David Collier-Brown <davec-b@rogers.com>
wrote:
> On 18/04/16 07:03 PM, David Collier-Brown wrote:
>
> I haven't internalized this yet, but my instantaneous reaction is:
>
> - a radar screen is something people have been educated to
> understand, so that's cool, and
>
> Rat's, it all went on one line. This is more like what I meant
>
>
> - over time, plotting the time taken for <something> against the load
> in <something>s is what capacity planners expect to see: "_/"
>
>
> --dave
>
> On 18/04/16 06:48 PM, David Lang wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Dave Taht wrote:
>
> I have been sitting here looking at wifi air packet captures off and
> on for years now, trying to come up with a representation, over time,
> of what the actual airtime usage (and one day, fairness) would look
> like. Believe me, looking at the captures is no fun, and (for example)
> wireshark tends to misinterpret unreceived retries at different rates
> inside a txop as tcp retries (which, while educational, makes it hard
> to see actual retries)...
>
> Finally today, I found a conceptual model that "fits" - and it's kind
> of my hope that something already out there does this from packet
> captures. (?) Certainly there are lots of great pie chart tools out
> there...
>
> Basically you start with a pie chart representing a fixed amount of
> time - say, 128ms. Then for each device transmitting you assign a
> slice of the pie for the amount of airtime used. Then, you can show
> the amount of data transmitted in that piece of the pie by increasing
> the volume plotted for that slice of the pie. And you sweep around
> continually (like a radar scanning or a timepiece's pointer) to show
> progress over time, and you show multicast and other traffic as eating
> the whole pie for however long it lasts.
>
> conceptually it looks a bit like this:
>
> http://blog.cerowrt.org/images/fairness.png (I borrowed this graph
> from
> http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/11/easily-create-stunning-animated-charts-with-chart-js/
> )
>
> Another way to do it would be to have the pie represent all the
> stations on the network, and to have the "sweep hand" jump between
> them...
>
>
> does it really matter how much data is passed during the timeslice as
> opposed to just how much airtime is used? (and there will be a large chunk
> of airtime unused for various reasons, much of which you will not be able
> to attribute to any one station, and if you do get full transmit data from
> each station, you can end up with >100% airtime use attempted)
>
> I would be looking at a stacked area graph to show changes over time (a
> particular source will come and go over time)
>
> I would either do two graphs, one showing data successfully transmitted,
> the other showing airtime used (keeping colors/order matching between the
> two graphs), or if you have few enough stations, one graph with good lines
> between the stations and have the color represent the % of theoretical peak
> data transmission to show the relative efficiency of the different
> stations.
>
>
> While the radar sweep updating of a pie graph is a neat graphic, it
> doesn't really let you see what's happening over time.
>
> David Lang
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-04-19 21:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-18 22:35 [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2016-04-18 22:48 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] " David Lang
2016-04-18 23:02 ` Bob McMahon
2016-04-18 23:36 ` Dave Taht
2016-04-18 23:03 ` David Collier-Brown
2016-04-18 23:14 ` David Lang
2016-04-19 0:02 ` Dave Taht
2016-04-19 0:15 ` David Lang
2016-04-19 1:42 ` David Collier-Brown
2016-04-19 21:48 ` Aaron Wood [this message]
2016-04-21 17:59 ` David Lang
2016-04-18 23:11 ` David Lang
2016-04-18 23:50 ` Dave Taht
2016-04-19 0:01 ` David Lang
2016-04-19 0:07 ` Dave Taht
2016-04-19 0:32 ` David Lang
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