From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x22c.google.com (mail-oi1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4546F3B29D for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oi1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id i5so8566520oih.11 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 13:16:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=GihNnii8syknsNQPO4F+HC0waQuBcN3wTE6Rl812q0E=; b=XogTv72sozImB82aOcGCCr2nTkNtQkH0P6Oz8w/QOJTzFZH7YRMV4DGDeNYieHIMBt SgFQMtAeDpK7eu9QtbV1QJ7oi44/A05Hp471azz1Kh+s3Wh35c7wfjlsO8Z1atDzowfE xuze9DvuJq65+NY5Dsv4qGxRq3QjZPFjFoEuV5/9P5kskRV4CzBp/mOv2BYjkS94/iSY ho/PQRWul5U55AQi6acgN5Qt9w5e/9bbjfxYDE0maQ2qFu4VdgEqHBLWhHteLH8qssoK 1MqYaVSgpRK5kF5JAjxXTQR9VDeJl2e791IpwdqoUx/4W9Xn1gBpQVT8szEGcI39UBrs jnuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=GihNnii8syknsNQPO4F+HC0waQuBcN3wTE6Rl812q0E=; b=CFh0Kt+rSHPw7+fcHZQuMfGWGKsSjxm/SS2ku74k66NgF1xUD/nGlTfEhaG7YYbQyo lbCQLnHceiuvmxW2cxtgamJeBPSGGfP5aEDBa2zHQhVryrR2f/j2xS2ch5q8cdbWiD0N lWkP+W3Is9oOTWzWjnXL6UBXRztVgfsmygWf47pJtRdIX5M73DMXCFiD+XS59geQi3nQ 3bp4VqUgzDyIY3TLirDORkOEov4BPPVoKUJO5VxKMRTpN8fynVeAFjkVtauHByd53h0b kGdJpQ/T1mPOKbaoUb7DSYRPPcnf/L/Ox+JflJB5TvukUYuT6vYwWTM2ipMA5omz1CuD eVfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2koNLA+J6kv1mQx/31wrAAoJ8QVn+dCYnrzJZAkfnXHoIGOE6oPk xPjyw3r3aTml3lPyBihRhQ9UZcH/jr7aXDC3tXqiuvjjZac= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXshXKxktV2vFgCmQcHSL6iDLQx/WmqtG+siZIymWc/VNRSfYHyEntMOpsH29rqujtZLW6ICPqTJA3kYfeI77Qk= X-Received: by 2002:a54:4381:0:b0:35b:a08d:5d71 with SMTP id u1-20020a544381000000b0035ba08d5d71mr2119780oiv.173.1675026981207; Sun, 29 Jan 2023 13:16:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Aaron Wood Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2023 13:16:10 -0800 Message-ID: To: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003446d105f36d9c04" Subject: [Bloat] "bullwhip" effect - an analogy that applies to TCP and excessive latency X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2023 21:16:22 -0000 --0000000000003446d105f36d9c04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I read this earlier in the week, and thought it applied well to describing how excessive latency causes TCP (cubic, reno, etc) overshoot and collapse in bufferbloat situations: https://read.fluxcollective.org/i/98919216/lens-of-the-week -Aaron --0000000000003446d105f36d9c04 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I read this earlier in the week, and thought it applied we= ll to describing how excessive latency causes TCP (cubic, reno, etc) oversh= oot and collapse in bufferbloat situations:


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