From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vs1-xe31.google.com (mail-vs1-xe31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A7033B29D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 03:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe31.google.com with SMTP id s85so821303vsc.3 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 00:37:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=78R0Jy9zkJ9tSHQc2o7iTCn/kr712IS9mtcWDMtlHPE=; b=NaNKnQMpU6zBdtmbahRTxoY+7i6F9oxw4qNIf9bmG3B2l2hOOA16g0VfbYLoevE/lk OXvURh/pC1pAD3qKCRq9AQKwLuPGeJwdXsQAv18NLNweTQ39cDziHA0ZSqXoDEDsSXxd /u2P/E6S8Nkj6qO6pKwJs/l2qvGHApLWW4Vc3C9Fnrd9XZ0JkPBLVs40q0O89VAIViwx tX7B0sPymzuwU9+00fqDIByA70+MZEVKdCs15b8yUd6aXiXduiPaHM2DZgprOpz+c0sp WX51vN0e2H+t8uolFQRAwX0bPyr6oZ5LlRa4+/VpRc4b+Y/Gt0ShbDCSYDvN0PdrnAq5 zIvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=78R0Jy9zkJ9tSHQc2o7iTCn/kr712IS9mtcWDMtlHPE=; b=B8QC3m6U4hWa0jloE5P7IXtZ2OR3Mkp6u6UpsI+aGLMxe4/k+Av9M0qYWHtQUwW2AD dpwp3q1E+RCQRUgA0m7wDuTQsZ8gbVizEJ8uAgO1z/LiiJDdQ//msMlC94w7CnxPErCU IcrbgpwXyuFNrswUbKi/fmYVvY6le0orMm09C2S9gZ4yCwgDfoyBHqylHYY4yggQ9Bbl /2iBkH2G8jxY44hUdNGOw9L89yq/MAT4JO7uPx5Z9TWLqqduBgYiJY+u1huG/wlGORe5 PfZXQht/5Xs/JvojvD/Jcznn2m0Fhr65j0jiCyQ+E5sYZI42PxidK3SBns+7pZ7TbyT4 9DBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530vO2X3jbmV05tYE48XZBbBc0PAAXKc46I68RjIMaoXDruGV9c4 IeJm2ycXrNj6objaJYFPZsU8HkrGCv6P6G+neCw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz8OZ+4zuu+5PybwowPpfsGzz2qJTrVNKGzxzh0YaGnXnxjQfxxlxaSjXZxbLiwxNW/1FtVmmk65QfjyUeiOoE= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f5da:: with SMTP id t26mr1266232vso.7.1606984678663; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 00:37:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87tut51x3j.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonas_M=C3=A5rtensson?= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 09:38:07 +0100 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Morton , =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= , conor@conorbeh.com, bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ee69b105b58b469f" Subject: Re: [Bloat] starlink X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 08:37:59 -0000 --000000000000ee69b105b58b469f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :( Also widely varying download speed. > I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink network itself. Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determining whether it's at your end or the remote end. You should be able to use dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that. I'm not the OP but from the reddit thread ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/k0dwon/starlink_and_bufferbloat_= testing/.compact), this is their dslreports test: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66406433 It does look like the main problem is in the uplink. The download speed looks much more consistent in the dslreports test but I guess that could also be due to the short duration of the test. Another user from the reddit thread showing similar results: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66406098 /Jonas On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 3:39 PM Jonathan Morton wrote: > > On 1 Dec, 2020, at 3:20 pm, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen via Bloat = < > bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > >> Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from beta > >> testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did thr= ee > >> runs of flent and rrul as depicted in the getting started page. You ma= y > >> find the results here: > >> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NIGPpCMrJgi8Pb27t9a9VbVOGzsKLE0K/view?us= p=3Dsharing > > > > Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :( > > I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink network > itself. Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determini= ng > whether it's at your end or the remote end. You should be able to use > dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that. > > - Jonathan Morton > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --000000000000ee69b105b58b469f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0 > Thanks for sharing! That is s= ome terrible bloat, though! :(=C2=A0

A= lso widely varying download speed.

>=C2=A0 = I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink network i= tself.=C2=A0 Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determi= ning whether it's at your end or the remote end.=C2=A0 You should be ab= le to use dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that.=C2=A0

I'm not the OP but from the reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/k0dwon/= starlink_and_bufferbloat_testing/.compact), this is their dslreports te= st:

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It does look like the main problem is in the uplink. The down= load speed looks much more consistent in the dslreports test but I guess th= at could=C2=A0also be due to the short duration of the test.

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Another user from the reddit thread showing similar results:


/Jonas

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 3:39 PM Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 Dec, 2020, at = 3:20 pm, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from b= eta
>> testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did= three
>> runs of flent and rrul as depicted in the getting started page. Yo= u may
>> find the results here:
>> https:/= /drive.google.com/file/d/1NIGPpCMrJgi8Pb27t9a9VbVOGzsKLE0K/view?usp=3Dshari= ng
>
> Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :(

I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink network i= tself.=C2=A0 Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determi= ning whether it's at your end or the remote end.=C2=A0 You should be ab= le to use dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that.

=C2=A0- Jonathan Morton
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