[Bloat] starlink

[Bloat] starlink

[Conor Beh]

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Hello,

Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from beta
testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did three
runs of flent and rrul as depicted in the getting started page. You may
find the results here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NIGPpCMrJgi8Pb27t9a9VbVOGzsKLE0K/view?usp=sharing

Thanks for all the hard work and I hope you find it interesting. Let me
know if there's anything else you'd like to see.

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Re: [Bloat] starlink

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Conor Beh <conor@conorbeh.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
> Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from beta
> testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did three
> runs of flent and rrul as depicted in the getting started page. You may
> find the results here:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NIGPpCMrJgi8Pb27t9a9VbVOGzsKLE0K/view?usp=sharing

Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :(

-Toke

Re: [Bloat] starlink

[Jonathan Morton]

> On 1 Dec, 2020, at 3:20 pm, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
>> Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from beta
>> testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did three
>> runs of flent and rrul as depicted in the getting started page. You may
>> find the results here:
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NIGPpCMrJgi8Pb27t9a9VbVOGzsKLE0K/view?usp=sharing
> 
> Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :(

I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink network itself.  Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determining whether it's at your end or the remote end.  You should be able to use dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that.

 - Jonathan Morton

Re: [Bloat] starlink

[Jonas Mårtensson]

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  > Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :(

Also widely varying download speed.

>  I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink
network itself.  Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in
determining whether it's at your end or the remote end.  You should be able
to use dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that.

I'm not the OP but from the reddit thread (
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/k0dwon/starlink_and_bufferbloat_testing/.compact),
this is their dslreports test:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66406433

It does look like the main problem is in the uplink. The download speed
looks much more consistent in the dslreports test but I guess that
could also be due to the short duration of the test.

Another user from the reddit thread showing similar results:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66406098

/Jonas

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 3:39 PM Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > On 1 Dec, 2020, at 3:20 pm, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Bloat <
> bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from beta
> >> testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did three
> >> runs of flent and rrul as depicted in the getting started page. You may
> >> find the results here:
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NIGPpCMrJgi8Pb27t9a9VbVOGzsKLE0K/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :(
>
> I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink network
> itself.  Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determining
> whether it's at your end or the remote end.  You should be able to use
> dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that.
>
>  - Jonathan Morton
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> Bloat mailing list
> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
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>

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Re: [Bloat] starlink

[Dave Taht]

Sigh. On the plus side the hardware in use on the UFO is a pretty good
QCA platform. It is speculated
on another thread that it actually runs openwrt. So with a few
soldiered on pins to get at a serial port
or figuring out some other way into the box.... we could make a dent in this.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:38 AM Jonas Mårtensson
<martensson.jonas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   > Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :(
>
> Also widely varying download speed.
>
> >  I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink network itself.  Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determining whether it's at your end or the remote end.  You should be able to use dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that.
>
> I'm not the OP but from the reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/k0dwon/starlink_and_bufferbloat_testing/.compact), this is their dslreports test:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66406433
>
> It does look like the main problem is in the uplink. The download speed looks much more consistent in the dslreports test but I guess that could also be due to the short duration of the test.
>
> Another user from the reddit thread showing similar results:
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66406098
>
> /Jonas
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 3:39 PM Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 1 Dec, 2020, at 3:20 pm, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from beta
>> >> testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did three
>> >> runs of flent and rrul as depicted in the getting started page. You may
>> >> find the results here:
>> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NIGPpCMrJgi8Pb27t9a9VbVOGzsKLE0K/view?usp=sharing
>> >
>> > Thanks for sharing! That is some terrible bloat, though! :(
>>
>> I imagine it exists in the uplink device rather than the Starlink network itself.  Distinct upload and download bloat tests would help in determining whether it's at your end or the remote end.  You should be able to use dslreports.com/speedtest to determine that.
>>
>>  - Jonathan Morton
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Re: [Bloat] starlink

[Michael Richardson]

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Conor Beh <conor@conorbeh.com> wrote:
    > Jim Gettys made a reddit post on r/Starlink asking for data from beta
    > testers. I am one of those testers. I spun up an Ubuntu VM and did
    > three

Do you have: IPv4? Is it RFC1918? IPv6? DHCPv6-PD?
Where does your traffic get to the Internet?

Can you communicate directly with other Starlink users, without going to the
data center?

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