From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pl1-x62b.google.com (mail-pl1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C145B3CB35 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id b3so3286017plr.7 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2019 06:16:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mounce.com.au; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dAet6NV4IIrJGc2N01kIy5ziUI5IddFj4uhdyqK1sbc=; b=oMhSpC84ILT6lhIklMfh6KOXKmAtwqgs8OgWPS9wtJtRjGLOC7/a2Sw9iPvTJLWMT+ 192xQ9ytklf8Y6BBSijuOHabYOJZhGKx+GBN7FNB8fFcwrWrUB+nVD+klaT7tCJuTIz2 0ajecDLIBRyHXfvKcPHS/ewxdrLTquOGTpG+RF1pLE9eYVGbyv7jiLcUs4b41PQmovaX IfR4fLqgR1yLdBLjoieQiMnd77el7oYrsIEnZWCls+Ddcj1w8CjnIyKJd/isgezlkRQV sRIQVRdw0i4KcgB95P6PJD3oAdkef8liXkzH/qE3kKemsssmFgOnIRsxhWr2HnjuplGr lLBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dAet6NV4IIrJGc2N01kIy5ziUI5IddFj4uhdyqK1sbc=; b=WrvM2z0UisnwU3hjn5CTX3fem7I6998yJm0A/wOSFFRGHviWJdmLU7kugNs9RCUu4V YnePW4te0NZv/U0v1Jpmd/OA8qF3LfCgWAuWMcgqReiqdClHG/Fm3Ay4zQAN2hkF5alQ 3GScShrnIWyREWL/rKPxquFixzPJn70Yx9PKW5Or5Y9hFHpCneC0lAqqtZJPxH6AOiF5 6xwsiQ6MkOKLKXD2w1YvP3J2ND5yaO+sc+nyQdrWy5BvxdQhkRDwge8lRVEnGhmq/81z dgdZYXu3PvVExX9pxfZf/tzqx2xHWVGfY/hLipP2/OlcEvUC0HwPeCepchUnLiByJ/uB 3fGA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVYy+9pnUycCHm5eQK6EZ4by9UarnQCGiQIC1AXd9VaqsyBuChR iShRjE7TcN3c/13a5nCWdAekTHuvAYM0EfTZbkfoyg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxi5JpxAcff4kiWSTqac10a0PimHfFhXQ/c0+h2h/Vugykv50/VCCDKVoWj/a6JMM9/LZ9anBJo6pXA+XWkZLA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:e48f:: with SMTP id cj15mr68272690plb.256.1554210968170; Tue, 02 Apr 2019 06:16:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ryan Mounce Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 23:45:57 +1030 Message-ID: To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: bloat , Jonathan Foulkes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] number of home routers with ingress AQM X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:16:10 -0000 On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 22:08, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > I just wondered if anybody has any reasonable estimate how many end-users= actually employ fair-queueing AQMs with active ECN-marking for ingress tra= ffic @home? I am trying to understand whether L4S approach to simply declar= e these as insignificant in number is justifiable? L4S people are concerned by RFC 3168 / "classic" ECN bottlenecks *without* fq. I don't think there would be any such ingress shapers configured on home gateways. Certainly not by anyone on this list... anyone running non-fq codel or flowblind cake for ingress shaping? -Ryan