From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yk0-x236.google.com (mail-yk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C4113CBA0 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id k129so7211828yke.0 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:06:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=A0Qk4BYfdAxiQyg8SeW70wXKpTdGe42mZrjj6H1F79w=; b=b57Zmb1etklaiQJmmbM5DD0FtTtHtOrsBGjijTe58bWyNvAAB4ubUF0VDPQvJXWjKK NsrMpEHXqCNEWSJg6JYEPECViAa8cmih/25tKWuqJX2UHHG05Bv/x3Dyt73bqei/uxb2 gvllnaWCAEinB9p7eqIkxCLtKGLetG/708NVdcL4TJW7n+zu8TvVjcu8qxLDLKSvoewO 5N6YaBG/Q8YOJgNGbIZcYJNia/N0x8vGOPQZ/iZIuvti6MuMRKdadg3HiKmyKMflXsOw TX45++isulLvnLRAkyakaVaR90P8P0jq53kXfE0QgXGnC9emJQZNvXpUIH0DhvlIR10e V3qw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=A0Qk4BYfdAxiQyg8SeW70wXKpTdGe42mZrjj6H1F79w=; b=nBT4uuhz3AAcxM893nv1giCdFKDjexEgJRGSkvK+qo7hrfdrfbUlN5M3R+j3w9pyuA yszrnRdewYbflfN3bQ9FBFRCqEbNHeYYbgr5/6PjolfEHFqswQ6gh3wnfASpcs1JMaMG HlK1CCws8idsUoJ1Ga6Q34uzmmdDHVYqqHwhSyMKhwA2ODzu7ImHU4BH0pqS3WL4LySO uFySsmnBMHjehlyVLRaDhkfZptzS7ZWmgE/kAxijIvq8SeXWxEyc8F6dDjr4bj5oAM5F aCTvOA27yIYtx/n5wF9pojOImA4izbt62XJoNOMLgHvgFhUeDfqwO8vQYlcw4ymA2wkX jy0w== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOR37Pq/YJDFsZhjqHWdJDJBKIm1ivg+myvhZYrMTM+MomDLnAobeodm54UUMigOS3kKebGgYm48zt0A0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.85.207 with SMTP id j198mr28943ywb.28.1453928798429; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.129.0.197 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:06:38 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: sean.gmail@conman.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:06:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Sean Conner To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f2c2a8f2a6f052a572df5 Subject: [Bloat] Publicly shaming those that can't respond back X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:06:40 -0000 --001a113f2c2a8f2a6f052a572df5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dave, running his own email server that MANDATES TLS, cravenly wrote: > > Example: > > Jan 27 17:16:11 mail postfix/smtp[10770]: 801CD21331: > to=, > relay=brevard.conman.org[elided]:25, delay=67644, delays=67640/0.01/4/0, dsn > =4.7.4, status=deferred (TLS is required, but was not offered by host > brevard.conman.org[elided]) You elided the IP address but left the name visible. You do realize that the IP address is just a DNS lookup away, right? That it's easy to see that brevard.conman.org is 66.252.224.242. > So this made it safer to temporarily make it mandatory, do email for a > few hours, get who failed out of my logs, craft the email to those > failing, then relax the defaults for starttls back to "may". May? May? oneofmystillannoyedcorrespondents@conman.org is right for being annoyed at you, because there's no "may" about sending email to this list (or to you, Dave). It's TLS or pack sand to Gmail because oneofmystillannoyedcorrespondents@conman.org refuses to run TLS (at this time---Dave you seem incapable of listening to those who state it's not as easy as you make it out in some cases). Great job making friends and influencing people, Dave. Good job! -spc (No need to hide behind oneofmystillannoyedcorrespondents@conman.org) --001a113f2c2a8f2a6f052a572df5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave, running his own email server that MANDATES TLS,= cravenly wrote:
>
> Example:
>
> Jan 27 17:16:11 = mail postfix/smtp[10770]: 801CD21331:
> to=3D<oneofmystillannoyedcorresponden= ts@conman.org>,
> relay=3Dbrevard.conman.org[elided]:25, delay=3D67644, delays=3D67640/0.01/4/0= , dsn
> =3D4.7.4, status=3Ddeferred (TLS is required, but was not off= ered by host
> brevard.conman.o= rg[elided])

=C2=A0 You elided the IP address but left the = name visible.=C2=A0 You do realize that the IP address is just a DNS lookup= away, right?=C2=A0 That it's easy to see that brevard.conman.org is 66.252.224.242.=C2=A0

= > So this made it safer to temporarily make it mandatory, do email for a=
> few hours, get who failed out of my logs, craft the email to those=
> failing, then relax the defaults for starttls back to "may&qu= ot;.

=C2=A0 May?=C2=A0 May?=C2=A0 oneofmystillannoyedcorrespondents@= conman.org is right for being annoyed at you, because there's no &q= uot;may" about sending email to this list (or to you, Dave).=C2=A0 It&= #39;s TLS or pack sand to Gmail because oneofmystillannoyedcorrespondents@conman.org refuses to run TLS (at this time---Dave you seem incapable of listening = to those who state it's not as easy as you make it out in some cases).<= br>


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