From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x42c.google.com (mail-wr1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C03393CB35 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 02:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id s1so14376177wrv.5 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 23:53:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freeswitch-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=V4H7uWKByKwMhUfbyaGXIGugx12Kh7wbM+Lo4fufac4=; b=WBySsV6ZG0KuMiopqGheWRuClOJddWSoAQ2kn2FZAu718ZC7RbeiPGExUaiVO8RgN6 m2+bMuim1lu9tKpotiN0GFGeiXZ5qy7gGru3nFwomnjMq17W4w9kp/uOaaRXrSKOkvRU IWM/PWuII1q/p89g3Lz2J9bHpoCHwZw82xucnw8d8UArndxiBHa/TVeuEwsuimJ3PpRt uA0NTFqJv6BXsub6gWBu2GqmO4khzdBpDaEycq09rTtQWn9OfstGBkjzZ2bXdUPD1WKS SnWSDZnb1nYhgJ0YHa2N+0s3BfxGyXLevd5Zjy+2E1++6ORPLYLINFYrvz/qi69yb6KD EwhA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V4H7uWKByKwMhUfbyaGXIGugx12Kh7wbM+Lo4fufac4=; b=Lyb7nG+aO4E1NG4OYWinHvV4qtTRSUVY7acDuS6Z+TOq8BxJQdqGZ5ic8J3WW0nUIk FCfQvl9VB17GZoRTrIDFJXKcVnO+nguGC+dobzi6gJqzU7mdCbmoQrOC5eZFkCf0wG7y Z4pFFC7HEnnNADbfzcozAaOvybEZphmbiLHTdnjcW1hu3LnbWOhoBBQww8y5tS7bWpsz duaWgvGTA6f3fuuPi5wWDwMtVKNLx1buUJvq2elz+CYLotgWwGmE2gt/VIRabCNue66l WDjF24LGN8OJOh86HfcjavXCveyOP6gIx4udyxG4EZeWFyptuCii0E76vpnNLiE4ZR0/ 5TCA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1sRQ0xi3Uhoq4H7s1Hs/SlZofB9qPVDsa8y7u/t+LHKOog0v85 5Uxg9fRquAM4NKf2Pd8vZc9C8A6rke5qGs+FHkqg3Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vtthlkfjb44o7Tihpc40s/G3z9Dt03jZ+xiw5Ac1pcqComyBvimbPb+Yya6K2cw5nFPOOP7C0f0osXEr9ZoI1o= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6992:: with SMTP id g18mr3504412wru.426.1585378403864; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 23:53:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Anthony Minessale II Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 01:53:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: bloat , Make-Wifi-fast , Cake List , cerowrt-devel , Ken Rice Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000098e40105a1e4acf0" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:06:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bloat] mo bettah open source multi-party videoconferncing in an age of bloated uplinks? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 06:53:25 -0000 --00000000000098e40105a1e4acf0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working on this a bit right now. I have the controls to tell the browser to send less manually but not auto. We might add transport-cc as google seems to have picked that one. We can have you on a call sometime to test. On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:27 PM Dave Taht wrote: > sort of an outgrowth of this convo: > > https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/815751/786d161d06a90f0e/ > > I imagine worldwide videoconferencing quality could be much better if > we could convince more folk to > finally install sqm or upgrade to a working docsis 3.1 solution, etc. > Maybe some rag somewhere will finally pick up on bufferbloat solutions > and run with it? Or we can write some articles? Or reach out to school > systems? Or? > > I've been fiddling with jitsi, and am about to give freeswitch a try. > Last I looked freeswitch's otherwise pretty nifty conference bridge > didn't dynamically adjust at all due to e2e signalling, but that was > years ago. (?) > > I have to admit that p2p multiparty videoconferencing seems more > plausible in a de-bufferbloated age, but > haven't explored what tools are available. (?) > > There's also been this somewhat entertaining convo on the ietf mbone > list: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mboned/2thFQk_IYn38XCZBQavhUmOd6tk/ > > Around me there has been this huge interest in "streaming". The user > agreement for these (see restream.io's) is scary - and the copyright > police have control... but I am very happy to report that even a > couple really lousy long distance fq_codel'd ath9k links work *really* > well (with facebook's implementation), where a non fq_codeled link > (ath10k) failed miserably... and setting up a reflector in nginx also > failed miserably. > > Anyone working on the ath10k AQL backport for openwrt as yet? > > -- > Make Music, Not War > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > --=20 [image: Inline image 1] Anthony Minessale II | President FreeSWITCH Solutions | 17345 Civic Drive #2531 Brookfield, WI 53045 Email: anthm@freeswitch.com Mobile: +12623098501 Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com [image: color-facebook-96.png] [image= : color-twitter-96.png] --00000000000098e40105a1e4acf0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Working on this a bit right now. I have the controls to te= ll the browser to send less manually but not auto. We might add transport-c= c as google seems to have picked that one. We can have you on a call someti= me to test.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:27 PM D= ave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com= > wrote:
sort= of an outgrowth of this convo:

https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/815751/786d161= d06a90f0e/

I imagine worldwide videoconferencing quality could be much better if
we could convince more folk to
finally install sqm or upgrade to a working docsis 3.1 solution, etc.
Maybe some rag somewhere will finally pick up on bufferbloat solutions
and run with it? Or we can write some articles? Or reach out to school
systems? Or?

I've been fiddling with jitsi, and am about to give freeswitch a try. Last I looked freeswitch's otherwise pretty nifty conference bridge
didn't dynamically adjust at all due to e2e signalling, but that was years ago. (?)

I have to admit that p2p multiparty videoconferencing seems more
plausible in a de-bufferbloated age, but
haven't explored what tools are available. (?)

There's also been this somewhat entertaining convo on the ietf mbone list: https://mailarchive.i= etf.org/arch/msg/mboned/2thFQk_IYn38XCZBQavhUmOd6tk/

Around me there has been this huge interest in "streaming". The u= ser
agreement for these (see restream.io's) is scary - and the copyright
police have control... but I am very happy to report that even a
couple really lousy long distance fq_codel'd ath9k links work *really*<= br> well (with facebook's implementation), where a non fq_codeled link
(ath10k) failed miserably... and setting up a reflector in nginx also
failed miserably.

Anyone working on the ath10k AQL backport for openwrt as yet?

--
Make Music, Not War

Dave T=C3=A4ht
CTO, TekLibre, LLC
ht= tp://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-435-0729


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Email: anthm@fre= eswitch.com

Mobile: +12623098501

Website: https://www.FreeSWITCH.com

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