From: Anthony Minessale II <anthm@freeswitch.com>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Cc: Matt Mathis <mattmathis@google.com>,
David Collier-Brown <davecb@spamcop.net>,
Ken Rice <krice@freeswitch.org>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] How about a topical LWN article on demonstrating the real-world goodness of CAKE?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 10:08:57 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPFLO2TbhSVJcUwMVsFw2cTekAaqnoMSDRFrjq-ymC7+ReUp_Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0FD03007-9D6F-4110-858D-0A75834DA580@gmail.com>
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Still willing to host a call on SignalWire Work if you want to check it out.
I barely use this email addr so I keep forgetting to check it.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:09 PM Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > On 8 Sep, 2020, at 7:48 pm, Matt Mathis via Bloat <
> bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >
> > To be simplistic, you might just talk about cake vs (bloated) drop
> tail. To be thorough, you also need to make the case that cake is better
> than other AQMs. This feels like too much for LWN, but silence on other
> solutions might trigger skeptics.
>
> Personally, my position is:
>
> 1: Bloated dumb FIFOs are terrible.
>
> 2: Basic AQM is good. This can be as simple as TBF+WRED; it solves a
> large part of the basic problem by eliminating multi-second queue delays.
> In some cases this can solve very serious problems, such as DNS lookups
> failing when the link is loaded, quite adequately. Properly configured,
> you can keep queue delays below the 100ms threshold for reasonable VoIP
> performance.
>
> 3: FQ-AQM is better. That generally means HTB+fq_codel, but other forms
> of this exist. It means essentially zero added delay for non-saturating
> flows. It's an easy way to make DNS, VoIP and online gaming work nicely
> without having to restrict data-hungry applications.
>
> 4: Cake offers some extra tools and aims to be easier (more intuitive) to
> configure. Currently, it is the best solution for slow and medium-speed
> broadband (up to 100Mbps), and can also be used at higher speeds with some
> care, mostly regarding device performance.
>
> - Jonathan Morton
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-10 15:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-08-09 18:27 David Collier-Brown
2020-08-09 19:18 ` Tom Henderson
2020-08-09 21:35 ` Jonathan Morton
2020-08-10 12:57 ` David Collier-Brown
2020-08-10 14:00 ` Daniel Sterling
2020-08-10 15:08 ` Tom Henderson
2020-08-10 15:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-08-10 15:57 ` Jonathan Morton
2020-08-10 16:04 ` Tom Henderson
2020-08-11 12:43 ` Daniel Sterling
2020-08-11 13:57 ` Kenneth Porter
[not found] ` <D8B6D86243E4539BBA58E32C@172.27.17.193>
2020-08-11 14:09 ` Daniel Sterling
2020-08-11 14:11 ` Daniel Sterling
2020-08-11 16:19 ` Kenneth Porter
2020-08-10 17:58 ` Jonathan Foulkes
2020-08-10 19:13 ` Carlos R. Pasqualini
2020-08-10 20:28 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2020-08-11 12:41 ` Michael Yartys
2020-08-10 14:16 ` [Bloat] Sidebar to "How about a topical LWN article on demonstrating the real-world goodness of CAKE?" David Collier-Brown
2020-08-11 15:48 ` [Bloat] How about a topical LWN article on demonstrating the real-world goodness of CAKE? Simon Barber
2020-09-05 18:52 ` Dave Taht
2020-09-05 20:35 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2020-09-07 9:23 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-07 11:33 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2020-09-07 17:20 ` David Collier-Brown
2020-09-08 15:43 ` Dave Taht
2020-09-08 16:48 ` Matt Mathis
2020-09-08 17:09 ` Jonathan Morton
2020-09-10 15:08 ` Anthony Minessale II [this message]
2020-09-10 16:52 ` Dave Collier-Brown
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