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From: "Richard Scheffenegger" <rscheff@gmx.at>
To: "Fred Baker" <fred@cisco.com>
Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE:  Burst Loss)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:11:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CFB99BF83BE74AEF91044F4DBA3E65B7@srichardlxp2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13672E5D-7EAE-446A-A8D8-BA85EF2CE72E@cisco.com>


Hi Fred,

Yes, that's the common topology; However, 802.3x is often used only 
unidirectional and with very limited effect, but not bidirectional. At least 
that's the default settings... (I wonder, if both ends of a link are RX, 
would flow control ever get triggered?)

I know a number of deployments, where globally enabling full flowcontrol (as 
opposed to RX / TX only) lead to fewer packet drops, but also to sometimes 
massively reduces network bandwidth.

This is what I meant when I said you don't want to deploy flow control in a 
multi-tier  network topology because of the congestion tree forming.

Best regards,
   Richard

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Baker" <fred@cisco.com>
To: "Richard Scheffenegger" <rscheff@gmx.at>
Cc: "Jonathan Morton" <chromatix99@gmail.com>; <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss)



On May 16, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Richard Scheffenegger wrote:

> Second, you wouldn't want to deploy basic 802.3x to any network consisting 
> of more than a single switch.

actually, it's pretty common practice. Three layers, even. People build 
backbones, and then ring them with workgroup switches, and then put small 
switches on their desks.= 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-16 18:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-26 17:05 [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:13 ` Dave Hart
2011-04-26 18:17   ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:28     ` dave greenfield
2011-04-26 18:32     ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 19:37       ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 20:21         ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 20:30           ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-04-26 21:16             ` Dave Taht
2011-04-27 17:10           ` Bill Sommerfeld
2011-04-27 17:40             ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-27  7:43       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-04-30 15:56       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-04-30 19:18       ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-05 16:01         ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:10           ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-05 16:30             ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:49             ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Neil Davies
2011-05-05 18:34               ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-06 11:40               ` Sam Stickland
2011-05-06 11:53                 ` Neil Davies
2011-05-08 12:42               ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 18:06                 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-11  8:53                   ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-11  9:53                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-12 14:16                       ` [Bloat] Publications Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-12 16:31                   ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Fred Baker
2011-05-12 16:41                     ` Rick Jones
2011-05-12 17:11                       ` Fred Baker
2011-05-13  5:00                     ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 14:35                       ` Rick Jones
2011-05-13 14:54                         ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 20:03                           ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Kevin Gross
2011-05-14 20:48                             ` Fred Baker
2011-05-15 18:28                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-15 20:49                                 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16  0:31                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-16  7:51                                     ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16  9:49                                       ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 11:23                                         ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:15                                           ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 13:22                                             ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:42                                               ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 15:23                                                 ` Jim Gettys
     [not found]                                               ` <-854731558634984958@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-16 13:45                                                 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-16 18:36                                             ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 18:11                                         ` Richard Scheffenegger [this message]
2011-05-17  7:49                               ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) BeckW
2011-05-17 14:16                                 ` Dave Taht
     [not found]                           ` <-4629065256951087821@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-13 20:21                             ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 22:36                               ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 22:08                           ` [Bloat] Burst Loss david
2011-05-13 19:32                         ` Denton Gentry
2011-05-13 20:47                           ` Rick Jones
2011-05-06  4:18           ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Fred Baker
2011-05-06 15:14             ` richard
2011-05-06 21:56               ` Fred Baker
2011-05-06 22:10                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-07 16:39                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-08  0:15                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-08  3:04                       ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-05-08 13:00                 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:53               ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:34             ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09  3:07               ` Fred Baker

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