From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vaadcmhout02.cable.comcast.com (vaadcmhout02.cable.comcast.com [96.114.28.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2577F3CC5D for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:16:59 -0400 (EDT) X-AuditID: 60721c4c-f790c6d000004aa1-f9-5706a41a8517 Received: from VAADCEX37.cable.comcast.com (vaadcmhoutvip.cable.comcast.com [96.115.73.56]) (using TLS with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by vaadcmhout02.cable.comcast.com (SMTP Gateway) with SMTP id 3B.E2.19105.A14A6075; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VAADCEX37.cable.comcast.com (147.191.103.214) by VAADCEX37.cable.comcast.com (147.191.103.214) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:16:57 -0400 Received: from VAADCEX37.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::3aea:a7ff:fe12:38b0]) by VAADCEX37.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::3aea:a7ff:fe12:38b0%19]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:16:57 -0400 From: "Livingood, Jason" To: Dave Taht , jb CC: bloat Thread-Topic: [Bloat] dslreports bufferbloat tests Thread-Index: AQHRj6BHhWYn608GD0W92KDpPoJDEZ98bG2AgAANjACAAJmFmIABb28A Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:16:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.8.151023 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [96.115.73.253] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <883D6FF5FA7E7642ADD9A906D7532A4A@cable.comcast.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forward X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrBIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsWSUOxpoSu1hC3cYP4+WYv+X/dZLR5daGNz YPLYOesuu8f2i2eYApiiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDLWvNrKUnCas6Ll2nnmBsYr7F2MnBwSAiYS +7pvskHYYhIX7q0Hsrk4hAS2MElMndfDBOEcZJSY03mBHcI5wSjR+PEII0gLm4CZxN2FV5hB bBEBe4m7TX/ARjELqEtM2fObFcQWFjCUaOt+wApRYyQx6fhSFgjbTWLi1v9gcRYBFYk13W1M IDYv0Jz/Z5qZIZZdZ5J4cP8l2AJOgUCJs5fegDUzAt36/dQaJohl4hK3nsxngvhBQGLJnvPM ELaoxMvH/8AWiAroSRz8tJIVIq4jcfb6E0YI20Bi69J9LBC2osS+DyuYIWbqSdyYOgXqGQeJ lie7WSBsbYllC18zQxwqKHFy5hOoXnGJw0d2sE5glJmF5KRZSEbNQjJqFpJRs5CMWsDIuopR riwxMSU5NyO/tMTASC85MSknVS85Pzc5sbgERG9iBMV/kYzPDsZP0zwOMQpwMCrx8PbPYAsX Yk0sK67MPcQowcGsJML7byFQiDclsbIqtSg/vqg0J7X4EKM0B4uSOK/dIqCUQHpiSWp2ampB ahFMlomDU6qBcUm68MP4hGMJs/gWFXOUK2foHn0gePzUhZffT84xyQhVNplWcmX+N4+Olj+2 QWUXux5eNrCpWb31Xxv/4urPrIUpIQdbzn5afO3F1qmrP/N93ZT57Xr41NPfqwu416f92rBh 1hnda3aTTX6+/qOYdtJ/Eo9w7p5gYRY/ltAL9W/+L1de1y4TwKTEUpyRaKjFXFScCAD2Jyjw +wIAAA== X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 15:29:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bloat] dslreports bufferbloat tests X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:16:59 -0000 On 4/6/16, 12:30 PM, "Bloat on behalf of Dave Taht" wrote: >Does anyone know how these nutrition labels are calculated? This is a tough question because AFAIK the FCC has not provided too much guidance. But I believe we can use the data from the FCC=B9s SamKnows (MBA) panel and that is considered a =B3safe harbor=B2. So my guess is any ISP covered by the FCC MBA platform will use the SamKnows data to be covered by the safe harbor. But at my company not all of our tiers are covered but the FCC MBA program, so we and others have a gap to fill. For tiers of service (speeds) and ISPs not covered by the FCC MBA platform then one has to develop a methodology and document it and be prepared to defend it with the FCC. And it will need to be documented in a reference linked to from the disclosure. My guess, though IANAL, is that the non-MBA numbers ISPs use will be refined over time through the back-and-forth of complaint & inquiries until it becomes more clear what the smaller number of acceptable measurement methodologies are, and this will take quite some time (and perhaps be a bit messy). We shall see! Jason