From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49AB821F335 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 14:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.106] ([93.215.10.146]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LaGJa-1ZQMLL2JMU-00m5Fh; Sat, 23 May 2015 23:43:09 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 23:43:05 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <58264BE0-CDBE-4739-B03D-4BAA20B13997@gmail.com> To: jb X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:0KUny2d+Ac+uKN3sA8iIAdOjAEF+VfoUAzoR/T7B6czC8nhnA3h Xx33RtRrfvpmK4wfZFCXwbIZAS8CVQXimGQnT+0OUoq+0Kp8xt7dOOY+b9weS7nuZCrbOjY MH2JVC70CNgizbeFdf7/uonzqavlH6Dgbii6nJbjym8sAPWmE8DI9JLRc/25XlhYtBzER7q qAXYEtkkf+XpzZrtILRvA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] dslreports mockup X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 21:44:04 -0000 Hi jb, On May 23, 2015, at 03:56 , jb wrote: > I can add error bars to the combined columns. I think that will help. This is quite helpful, what exactly are the =93error bars=94 = showing? I would vote for 2 and 98 percent qantiles. I note that I have = seen several times that both error bars (low and high) of the idle = category seems to be displayed above the bar, like levitating above the = bar. Could be display error on my end, but I guess the bars show = something meaningful and I just do not know how to parse it correctly=85 Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:55 AM, David Lang wrote: > On Thu, 21 May 2015, Jim Gettys wrote: >=20 > Providing separate grades for upload and download does not make sense = to > me, as interference with acks in the other direction badly hurts that > traffic. Uploads and downloads are *not* independent variables. >=20 > KISS: one grade.... > - Jim >=20 > yes and no. >=20 > If I am getting a bad grade, will replacing my local router help? or = is all the problem on the ISPs equipment? >=20 > having upload getting an A+ due to running good, debloated systems = locally, but the download getting a F due to the ISP buffering would be = meaningful. >=20 > David Lang > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat