From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A25E3CB37 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 17:28:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1708900115; x=1709504915; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=eeB7F8mTmm9wi1Af+XNYdVCdrEIDktd27G+ujzveFsc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References: To; b=f0CQiDhkxzUPTnwKzz834YXOmDrPDy/qn1wJTTGCRoj+yoQmCa3NWpF/lOxXt3Vn SjY4jNrzEDjNS6A/3k6pN+W0Ddv+jssbBOtRDYnUPhOph/CnsV0Ji8a8hGGxZqVOh yscqXR+p9Wfex7+5FXVqSrp07oCISHjsojEwT+t/1BlF7mgy3G16+uxcZq+JBlebR PS/5YPf9YahfyMdv3LkkBH7oC4Z157L+J+v6HQkuhjgbzYD7/c73gRX9lqI5DC4ag IMDgP2LC4NdyQJdyDhizyLEex4CiUAbHlrLImGgD8SXStzr5T1qmGzINkt+71XAsk 2OKWEDaiN/7jOfstNg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([95.112.101.151]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MYvY8-1rRBis3XSy-00Uptb; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:28:34 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.400.31\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <86B99DBB-251A-4185-8D35-E33A762BF7B0@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:28:24 +0100 Cc: bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <86B99DBB-251A-4185-8D35-E33A762BF7B0@gmail.com> To: Rich Brown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.400.31) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8dbXxM1EZwElqKY6lMxkENgbkdLIg11dXp4aX0xK6WjJzrMsQuX dA8GLCnUGDOqZwYahC+aMMZx8Mc8n5CmZHgIF35BdL0rw9ptoXhkP2RLbB1AbQXxNyseV+I drc0v62e6xaljq+LRkNpr23LKdfpi1fmVw8z6aKuW/IdPmJvjwC0t9kfyaryH88YTssmAqn hhuZtQtalv7THfkZQRowQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:OHpBlsOCZAU=;JEhcC8S12nW8a9Agl18IJvV9ewO Pl+FxZV+RqDyNH80qBCd+z3m69ag34Gb5Ae2AyGmoNOSjZxA5ECPGRtEGjGKtSYLpuB1TOLzc Y7CgxQfD28SwDINSUrX0PkcUnItBAal/Sq81j5Ibx3ikDwrfbsxrIn+/6rHLdlx4B/WMlltZN y/cn97chc/HMDoFp+I11TPPh9bxFayoK8UuWn+SNRtoIMpK3u5MyArIXyJWDxhp8JSqBMsuAz WzggbiyiyzgGGl9WsH8gN+MJt5x29ZkaQ15tY9Sny3IBV0qWC9NRxsh1yNE7wg84VXO2V1rd7 LOL/h8OoHVu/VOk9PJu0wu+fyu2sVwrt5ZZ0MvZBDMHkkPlJpJhvPL5SVQ0M88FvariRYnrT+ mj9KmIPU07BsMEp262xeyDUapgQg0JiruKvYvjH9wxGufUa0V6TjzWYf0VzXdwdI9D7QzVZMn 3NvQCPpaEbXCPbz/Pfk9vXW2OOdODDsKDuHYDkWESVDmuFRE+KHBOeuqSF7DZ8EpKVZfdp8da DLK5Mhu1ShqdufejGtfa2LMSgiyvO72f6CduW7uePOTcPYwqhnC4A0kGVdoUsvAZq4msOMPyq pHcY5+E1OJ3Cyu4Y5rkT35b9NrnSIwo+epj+qUOi8RApX7tP02+tY+JgwLX3WmjXP5x8dob0x an5kMn9pCorAdsVisPkEPYHQv2ErmSbOvsZL6nduyZSwnKVdSrUjb2t5UQUJtz7x1appspeDy DtRvg+aaThtwaj6G0kHrjj8AM5Q04LkoEf0lRplLQLB0CSJ0aU+3im9KtIk4Ly10W1WmFEcQb rUTZiw0dyI69N/pcbRrq7hZuU71TusssHdqKg6Qv3Rc1U= Subject: Re: [Bloat] Disappointment on "Best Newcomer Router" front X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 22:28:37 -0000 Mmmh, maybe regroup and refocus and look for a relative simple wired-only = variant, then e.g. the naonopi 4RS might do, 2 ethernet ports, comes = with an optional case (not sure whether it is pre assembled) enough oomp = to SQM at 300 Mbps (as far as I heard, I have not tested that myself = though)... this will still need an AP/switch combination, but for that = an off the shelf wifi6 AP might already suffice (or as pure AP the = coming OpenWrt One, which I am quite excited about, way mote excited = that I should). Is that what you asked for, hell no. But it might do as = a replacement in a pinch... > On 25. Feb 2024, at 23:15, Rich Brown via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > For the last several years, I have responded on various boards to = complaints about bad latency with a happy-go-lucky "Or just try = OpenWrt!". [recent example: = https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/1ay509v/comment/krx120h/?= context=3D3] I used to mention IQrouter, but that's no longer a = possibility. >=20 > Not wanting to give hollow advice, I decided to gather information = about router models that support OpenWrt without much risk to a = newcomer's:=20 >=20 > - home/family network > - free time > - wallet >=20 > My hope was to collect a few recommendations for units that might = permit a someone who was intrigued by our "Just try OpenWrt!" enthusiasm = to spend a few bucks and a few hours and see if it made things better. = So I threw this note over the wall to the OpenWrt forum: = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/best-newcomer-router-2024/189050=20 >=20 > Along with two options (only available on eBay), I got back a whole = lot of unsatisfactory responses. (See = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/best-newcomer-router-2024/189050/21) >=20 > But then thoughtful messages started arriving, discussing the state of = the world for modern OpenWrt routers, and why the firmware really isn't = as easy to install as one might wish, how capable routers aren't as = inexpensive as one might hope, etc. >=20 > Am I right to despair? Are there no routers out there that we can = recommend in good faith that are easy to install, powerful enough (for = SQM) at ordinary speeds, and won't break the bank? >=20 > Many thanks. >=20 > Rich >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat