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[23.147.188.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-8971cc7ff1csm149611556d6.3.2026.02.16.15.11.25 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Feb 2026 15:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3864.200.81.1.6\)) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2026 18:11:15 -0500 References: <177127262995.1340.4992442038972499432@gauss> To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <177127262995.1340.4992442038972499432@gauss> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3864.200.81.1.6) Message-ID-Hash: GQSGXWSDKPN7IDM7ZKHZRKPYXWUSUVO6 X-Message-ID-Hash: GQSGXWSDKPN7IDM7ZKHZRKPYXWUSUVO6 X-MailFrom: richb.hanover@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Bloat] Re: Consumer CPE with Modern AQM? List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > Dan Sterling wrote: >=20 > I mean no disrespect, but surely large ISPs should be pushing their > CPE vendors for this functionality? I don't know what the general > community (represented on this list) might be able to do to help here Vendors make money when your system =E2=80=9Cis slow=E2=80=9D See = Questions 4.8 & 4.9 at = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Bufferbloat_FAQs/ > or are you hinting that someone should start a company / release a > product with good SQM support? :) >=20 > I for one (as a home user) would be glad to buy some hardware that > advertised support for cake (and IPv6) -- right now I just run a linux > box plugged into my PON ONT (spoofing the MAC address of the ISP's > CPE, so I can fully bypass it). but getting IPv6 working properly was > a huge pain and I'm afeared to upgrade the linux version lest I break > it There are lots of commercial CPE out there that handle bufferbloat. See = the list in item 3 at:=20 = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Buffer= bloat/ Rich