From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com (mail-la0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51BCA21F394 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lagv1 with SMTP id v1so7034010lag.1 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:55:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=yPbIgTql6iJk4Uivf2mrodvNY0kPKbDTORYFTBCnqCQ=; b=neHXXG7fUdb0xpqnRbQqcxCZSN2pNvCo3WTuCegZLEodtn4SDJQyLvMOI1wwR0uypD 9JhD0udORhndZuG4v26eVWhBz4z3NoMivyeie25Sp8AYjViPvq8srZyB3X+KmtiBUOB1 EFKalf91yOd7ALoUwqlthTWBHFgy0t0xthhNfvmMgW2GfsE7WtiolLBLJXWG94Mt/s4A /bU3fga3yjRUlLapGtJNUYgkJKGtP4tx1IanpSpOud6Wo1zX2mBNr3JCvseXLH3yaCP/ lU2kZfpI1Evw1weToYRhhESnulDjs5xBlLuQbFKB6N0oMZaS1P6a9br9jWuHlhqaNIyM GEIQ== X-Received: by 10.112.234.200 with SMTP id ug8mr19735374lbc.117.1434214543678; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (87-93-133-238.bb.dnainternet.fi. [87.93.133.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bn2sm1507989lbc.47.2015.06.13.09.55.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:55:30 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Apple ECN, Bufferbloat, CoDel X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:56:14 -0000 > On 13 Jun, 2015, at 19:07, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > One of the major takeaways is that Apple is planning to by default = enable ECN in iOS9 and OSX 10.11. This would mean hundreds of millions = of devices will be using ECN in a few months. That *is* big news. I have no doubt that all the various Linux folks will watch this mass = deployment of ECN closely, and - as long as no major fails show up as a = result - might finally grow the balls to turn it on by default = themselves. If major fails *do* show up, then hopefully it=E2=80=99ll just be an = impetus to get the remaining blackholes and stupid firewalls fixed. Microsoft is, as always, an unknown factor in all this, but who cares. - Jonathan Morton