From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o11.zoho.com (sender4-op-o11.zoho.com [136.143.188.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03D9C3CB37 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:46:29 -0500 (EST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1733341586; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=Lut3sIWdwhh3v0a+A6uuBQ4mfzqWDR6HwUhEXZqRoPPT0OV+IZovPmVxnLTdGieSRY1aEtyKszUMzmxWfCNAWezaskJ57nWZZKZCr4x7cG6/QSdMX0yTFo/k854f/Af97B0JN6MsO9JRld1Tvtlbh/iNa1nzzOoER1rr2SqN6Ww= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1733341586; h=Content-Type:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:From:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:Subject:To:To:Message-Id:Reply-To; bh=N63AqeFP47os7WP8JSfuHdEfzh4Aqr8X6fIQ1HYiBPQ=; b=JotPXsyg2X/ymw3jytxqVQS5WIx99r47UhwycPrpcmomgC+fqZBANNZ8S9naX2gVZOfav5O6tg03aBenw7Qi7ycY8DtJHsZWXEU90qVJOWxD3oQ0YmEspN0gI6YLayzXVP03oxKp0ahUGJ6l8Ywc6IH9/d6zqWRtCt5tVg45b9g= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jonathanfoulkes.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=jf@jonathanfoulkes.com; dmarc=pass header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1733341586; s=zoho; d=jonathanfoulkes.com; i=jf@jonathanfoulkes.com; h=From:From:Message-Id:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Subject:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:Cc:To:To:References:Reply-To; bh=N63AqeFP47os7WP8JSfuHdEfzh4Aqr8X6fIQ1HYiBPQ=; b=KQrlb6OX3J3ADqVP+LYFLOLFbyLkKR1b9zNBPgyCqDtLElimlqg8i9KWr+cohoiy awScZNRkFJMV2PTG8k+q3ZViitjgbtHgOVFuUQ/f5JwWvG85ookj/OFL5KKW4LzPM/t sNrtKLhcT7NfSo9dp/MIA01wzpg/ygCyTaeP6mnU= Received: by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1733341580389414.11810044388324; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:46:20 -0800 (PST) From: "jf@jonathanfoulkes.com" Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3042FFFA-41C5-4BE6-A5D8-C9C3687943BF" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.200.121\)) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:46:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1nq06157-745n-0r7n-310s-64nq8n90sp09@ynat.uz> Cc: Sebastian Moeller , Rich Brown , Rich Brown via Bloat To: David Lang References: <8E1D013F-BC13-4FFA-8986-2521FEB39A89@gmail.com> <62A919E9-EAFD-434C-BF2B-302D9E5A50E0@gmx.de> <1nq06157-745n-0r7n-310s-64nq8n90sp09@ynat.uz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.200.121) X-ZohoMailClient: External Subject: Re: [Bloat] Updates to bufferbloat.net site X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 19:46:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3042FFFA-41C5-4BE6-A5D8-C9C3687943BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I see it as a good thing, as it might promote better placement for WiFi = coverage, vs where a tangle of wires is tolerated. The POE option = further enhances that angle. An unmanaged POE switch is affordable; if one is technical, then a = managed one is not much more. As a data point, my five-port home router has only two in use: the WAN = port, and one LAN/VLAN port connected to the main household managed = switch. > On Dec 4, 2024, at 2:22=E2=80=AFPM, David Lang via Bloat = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> [SM] Ordered One as well... that said, this is a decent AP package, = but will likely not be a general all-in-one router (lack of a modem is = likely fine, lack of switch ports less so), especially given the = price... >> = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Buffer= bloat/ >=20 > I don't think that will be as much of a problem as you think, most = people are all-wireless in their houses nowdays, and small, programmable = switches are pretty cheap if you need them. --Apple-Mail=_3042FFFA-41C5-4BE6-A5D8-C9C3687943BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I see it as a = good thing, as it might promote better placement for WiFi coverage, vs = where a tangle of wires is tolerated. The POE option further enhances = that angle.

An unmanaged POE switch is affordable; if = one is technical, then a managed one is not much = more.

As a data point, my five-port home router = has only two in use: the WAN port, and one LAN/VLAN port connected to = the main household managed switch.

On Dec 4, 2024, at 2:22=E2=80=AFPM, David Lang via = Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:


[SM] Ordered One as well... that said, this = is a decent AP package, but will likely not be a general all-in-one = router (lack of a modem is likely fine, lack of switch ports less so), = especially given the price...
https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I= _do_about_Bufferbloat/

I don't = think that will be as much of a problem as you think, most people are = all-wireless in their houses nowdays, and small, programmable switches = are pretty cheap if you need them.

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