From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDDE33CB35; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1566661026; bh=VOHCUmPck/cMQ2vLnT2Nbz1eRqfBRwI0zJcO1vquWLk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=Yr8Ur5O4E2lVT4qkvQPzhv2QO/AEvuRUa+JDqJLa/syrfHzM56klIBgZOwXiV5G2Y eGOj5J4+RrEno3at3d0AhoKAOx+XLFlUwC1j+P9k8pFRIpUL711tP4/Zc6E5uhghPa przrLePMfAFeVcwhWSVeOQv5iUeNJ1Inqs4KJJXs= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from hms-beagle2.lan ([77.180.126.165]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M8hZD-1i5ehn0J7J-004mko; Sat, 24 Aug 2019 17:37:06 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <87h866d31z.fsf@taht.net> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 17:37:04 +0200 Cc: ECN-Sane , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <87h866d31z.fsf@taht.net> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:N1+XPOPbwTw7G5dTjQMLY+hj8uVfuGP7Qjztwphfx2AXSIJA7jk VxNrjRxor5ZBbvfxPaXLNWdsivFsfR3zrYCoeULD6NLdb+zxMwOdaamRIxOXqXWx/qwVVJZ bgrGS1xoM3TsTTAtsOrkSVh93oGSxSTEdPBkO8cIpq/XjWhcR5BanYarZoOx6YNtDvs4mua 9padaE66Ui2zec3ArtXTg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:xG4NV3aeg3A=:juP/USDOv74MF63nBVdiTt 99mCRdxUYSja+fRxnk3mMP6b/0zAW6GSeGviK7ZhLILedfmZw+fW645NJNR+q33aHM+Hok4s5 FMaBJ4NBiXGPhq1TWU3kAkPhVGQTgQ6a6a74kU5QpLy7gA5f5ITnkxHGFxQVkQ9WTW8VmZQmV SsUgYgD0D4RARJA5Ghk6lAPsiG7wDFpbvQkWQXvKJMEeSHz1OMyCzNbelpZpIUMXAHKkeSKee xM+TeOCsNg9x4aVPFXmJO2Va4r9b9FVMjRxv55HEnJT+L8gQGyqhUeosECr4Cb+9dc0J7c9BU ZcDwIj4ItdQ+C9M+vDQAw95Fn509kcPG2z+DV9O5iBhIEIRhcdHf/WW6nxg72YogH+ga3Um9L Vfy4o+MKeaEyU5TWUxl/Mh4IhpjscuyWfRMznu5h4EhGdvBPc2IDhY7WUcWB8LRFHkfYQmn3E 7zsWEqFPKOMpcoA8EnL9BBtTxO1+C9EnFL5Ofl1w9B65JRaRrNpT9FxjoE695K3mKam1gKZMH 5j+8WBrBFre540Kh7UvctaFh6r+aHm8sSKwg/+TMNxu7eK9R82MhZQ0WqwVzUDfXZltk3chmo +tyQ5nd7Rq73UINRES9QyVya7ENJTO7pOnCn8mnwom/uj5wmDJIt/OCdTJIeC6r/RhIouArMK ynT8QsQ+jt6SatLdZneqVST7NPiqRkpe5UzSYLalyyFABOhLrqRj6Jl5/yyRZg/loHUSjy4/N u/jDViixot93OEbapeCtFpsttpHfBoAre9dYPwLWZPZiVgHKKssVlZ8nCZcEyJ+Gclh3Np+BT 4EqohROXdC1uCHixgLAEveAExfUfBsCoWIkN+vkF5WRPFdcIvrfnFYiz+qIBNtxLqY5y4HZyz a0FglQ+3dqQQl1Ty+W5kU8ByHB89rhUTso/0MVOkS1hIOEUycfJ87Q8Awy9LpXPQtp+eD+AgZ P9xkKYc8QYk+cNuM19xIbhjJTRUokUrmlcwhkVHuCEO0z1iLwKdgPJEdWJDzTI56bv8hRDeRY c16wfUc3sM51osgG8d5pNloN1ICchh/j2eucWJvOtLE979ZqOuVm8h0wKtgca/TERcm0e3B8H EW6Uxg5zHv+NCoGBV81vSpSPrazyw5GBRK/g6BBkXDTKN/38aycyMSpDoNXfPHeHDRjCS7EtV rVbkM= Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] non queue building flows ietf draft review. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:37:08 -0000 Hi Dave, fun fact, the draft is titled "Identifying and Handling Non Queue = Building Flows in a Bottleneck Link". To which the _only_ and obvious answer is one does this by by observing = flow-behavior on the element that egresses into the bottleneck link. Case closed, Nothing to see folks, you can go home... ;) (I have started to read this thing ages ago and blissfully forgot all = about it, time to read it agian?) Best Regards Sebastian > On Aug 24, 2019, at 16:57, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 >=20 > I decided that perhaps it would be best if we tried harder > to live within the ietf's processes for calm, reasoned discussion >=20 > But in trying to review this internet draft... >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-white-tsvwg-nqb-02.html >=20 > I couldn't help myself, and my review is here: >=20 > = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tsvwg/hZGjm899t87YZl9JJUOWQq4KBsk >=20 > If someone could make something constructive out of that, great. It > would be good to have a really clear definition of what we mean by > sparse, and good definition and defense on our website of the = properties > and benefits of fair queueing.=20 >=20 > And I'm going to go off today and try to do something nice for a small > animal, a widow, or an orphan. Maybe plant some flowers. >=20 > Some days it doesn't pay to read your accrued inbox messages. Today > was one of them. You needen't read mine either! > _______________________________________________ > Ecn-sane mailing list > Ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ecn-sane