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List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > One of the pieces of leverage that a major ISP such as Comcast has is its= recommended hardware list, not just the hardware that you guys distribute = directly. Sure - and we did that for all the COAM cable modems years ago. We now have= a subset of end users that run their own router, which they have purchased= . Some of these are shockingly old. I=92m working on an outreach campaign t= o those users now - with the idea being to offer advice on how to improve l= atency by replacing device X with a new device from a list at some TBD URL. The motivation for an ISP is clear - we see complaints from users with thes= e old routers saying service is poor. But their DOCSIS or EPON connection q= uality is great. The root cause is the router and/or AP - so working to hel= p them understand and address this. > If Comcast and other major ISP's made it clear to the vendors of home rou= ters and other cpe equipment that they would be penalized explicitly if the= y failed Wi-Fi bufferbloat or other buffer bloat testing, that is probably = the fastest way to get the Wi-Fi side of these CPE devices fixed, or at lea= st reduced to a semi-manageable level. We already do this for cable modems that connect to and authenticate on the= network. AQM is build into every D3.1 CM that ships today - whether we pro= vide it or a user buys it in retail. But we do not have a way to qualify COAM routers and APs. But I suppose a c= ompany may ask how to get on the =91suggested list=92 of routers - in which= case it is to implement AQM and/or other latency-reducing technologies. ;-) JL