From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 919543B2A4; Thu, 12 May 2022 16:11:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1652386294; bh=ZHAvMWAc56LQIn8DNFjILFU1VQ1dFaDc3o2m7YNXJ7c=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=GU8NLrZIW5lzTZAC6KpCZIOzKocd4i2mB7udQeqwtNaxWSdYwQnJ8aO48qGwE43Eu O3dcdkzQccLTl0bQ05omHzfCmykO8gH6E+d55F+xQ24MubnfUpmga2P63doQxLMtRe aXH7oQfyUOeNKz6GknCUjlkhFPippI6jgy/XIf5w= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([77.10.38.169]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mjj87-1oDoOj1BZD-00lF1D; Thu, 12 May 2022 22:11:34 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 22:11:33 +0200 Cc: Rpm , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Christoph Paasch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rPft0VPLjLujZIGRC2O38xOEk3Woi5vV2t9KWycIctM3sERTp0B S1zb51niTjaxFbx1HiQ7D5HFBKLV5Sw4x1qi6aAfqMStCE4cyCRr0UonyDL+ZVEvkWg4wYz mMSxiXcDmxjGerLCjteek2np5z6OOyfacLmPGtxKk6H0LRT29NCGf5wx92oK2DCpFQrDUBu TGWpjf57pJsGsIOkqr6hg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:zrpfyuY3j4Y=:Hq8kOv/54LJxjS+i5A2qW2 6IUXQqw7qyW29SVHCpBCzBFvqh6Xl5hen8ryUeRKPHuz1LPAcADvh8uAeOD4Lx1c8en1X8IiF 4iscXmNDjPjopXsO+apRJPkx/b2HFVHdJBPJE4guwKGKPShZ4apcUwwGDTBI54dgppGqQrcO5 tCm8gX4Z4bFXKmxH1CilMh9wxF518HDodOHFrSp4kSPhZNWUUwXTmjNSk0wIWe8rU2Q+BwMfY 5lZ+TqkI0MKJI+UpkS+r4hbW1QicTOVVRalOiowmRiseopbvc8yGHEhj8wfPKrXoaxSdL9UC+ 4oOApKgZX1wi3oB6TvFkY4q7jNSgwQKQY3uoyhxep1fKZOTtsAhIklPSz5GJtw/82zP6BhS8k cWTkmkrOH0V4rPKKkalbFyG1S6YUITkfbbiAxIe71v6CFptqXyQjX8Md9/zafYu8SSNToBTc6 6bdOMyn3a+YaJNsQgrsn0Iv+weQAws7JPSww/hcH0/sREqaZXPmlXH8jdREXNPkX4/dm4xwQv ISCw8v8zrdFcTr9SN4WDYj4Xirf8rsYY+PDJYzIsyQmgF2Yapi7vRsZv2gJO8WdnEbic66K3h Xx/X3Ela+bmykUdOKJD0uPS2m6FDttb+auf8PMCMQs8W1addBEgqyTjSzQvNol1eRadqp2Zvb tKYyAuefFSk7kOxVODCLVQNRD6UP97r7l7jnoU5lGc57jKDFWAs88ewUkt1J2L3oNs86B1/E3 IqSPZEkttvj3nvtdtK+Oi+Fest4hFdxF8FzEPtmJmS9FT/LV/hsqfP7F6rWpVTqZ95uhqI37x RXRKKMNyYxsuQaUrEsGZGdMfJqbdbUL6aI0h0FPt66OQe/WIlU+QHm88XETQ0t5AJeC5uN/8K nhFuNy0KLZtG4GnbjE/81Aol6QMAcPFFlUpxoQ8D6AP7WjZS/GB+6Ub4LSnKbpJhG6rVjv5Ph KX8Mf8VnprJF+vJlggMcd4jzgipGerd1Fr0Tv8XrhwNLcv4zD1wmv/l3gFpGuLATx4roYP8qb UVS7DT1XsGaRMl+byfj0SfdT80uVT0JIStk0o58POQ0q8SuAxxGFLxy0NU1HbORYmFmC60TsI A1S4I+tAE/ejD0= Subject: Re: [Bloat] Ookla - Introducing a Better Measure of Latency X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:11:40 -0000 Hi Christoph, nice! Thanks for posting. For Android (and iOS) Ookla's speedtest app now reports a "Detailed = result" page which contains: 1) Upload and download rates (albeit without information what exactly = was measured)=20 2) Data volume used per direction (but not the precise duration of the = test) 3) Idle, download, upload responsiveness measures: (probably) the average, the jitter, the minimum, and the maximum 4) Packet loss percentage This is quite an improvement and achievement! I would wish for a bit = more information about the details, like how was latency exactly = measured, how many probes were used per direction and what are the = individual delay values... Unfortunately, the macos client seems not yet updated and the web based = test also still only reports the idle RTT. I hope it is only a matter of = time for those to be updated. Regards Sebastian > On May 12, 2022, at 19:15, Christoph Paasch via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > Ookla's measure of "loaded latency": >=20 > https://www.ookla.com/articles/introducing-loaded-latency >=20 > This will hopefully be a shift in how operators approach the = bufferbloat problem. >=20 >=20 > Christoph > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat