From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-x1132.google.com (mail-yw1-x1132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9141E3B29E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 08:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yw1-x1132.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-4c9b9185d18so123027097b3.10 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 05:12:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=FcFW83I/g0wpnFxHZaZsaVCGbfTsKeoJeeoCrSAtWWU=; b=KbI6nj3rbXLwEGWVY3rnoJrRTnN9bK13diK5srnUrvogl8L0TrxO600Xw/LNZP9YNK tXIc0ddhCjexU8za+K/wXeI0gLzmUZ6RW12G/jotlLvBejnQDM/Dsoi+PcFF7Qpdcj3T 19xdir3fX245Dz+YHnsnm3pcOlx1WSX7gUa8rc5nC9SEHyg2owjudOR3hCpI+bnPXN5w 7eDT2CaC43LAKs0RUE8dq5xuNPiIgmkQigYCz27i3+hR6geeeTv3+pEBGOZhvsv3V5tN S0bNtfDjuC2+dYmj20bup9Y5Ytjiu1V4CsBbZwi3OoyuQTgABTzRuinjPSXXy3DTIMoB GrjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=FcFW83I/g0wpnFxHZaZsaVCGbfTsKeoJeeoCrSAtWWU=; b=08+xo9uMjMS1lAeLLWeKW809yBZ8D1gZepD4yt6K8F18Yg5rLmLQW136RbKTR9C1B6 jAtP7BmkcAMtTPzYLyQQsBbyyXvJQMJbC6fcizHSUfCejTppZTSc1s9GVqtm1VblSfhq yOtqIT148SjBrz4I+1RlfLUsgxkGNsAnbUdnGIB8zzK4DwWChEWY6gdHL4OR91pOKDil U79Tcu45b8aVF06Qvd0RzEC+7czCgmMgZmUHYcjT7vFe2uf5vhvlh+TtxNUXi7S4MNDC /7b28zscvHNu67iZD4Yijp93CnRNqhg4K18vGrzFqM5wNxG4JRVAgl11mBae4OZNR28W P68g== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpFgFIDNHghSXZ4AIbL2X62tRh+DYQPZnCBRK9Jbpvgfvb7JeF+ 9ca/oqjSMes56l+s7qGjlxr5PQAEc4g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXt+FHN0BO3VwfFnLT2SbFHtGVg+0HOKx4lN9BhxeEiVnrS+IW3qcWe5MmLOBYnz0JcGSQdA6Q== X-Received: by 2002:a05:7500:4c89:b0:ea:9682:4f83 with SMTP id la9-20020a0575004c8900b000ea96824f83mr4797030gab.74.1673442754921; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 05:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e124-20020a37b582000000b0070495934152sm8869542qkf.48.2023.01.11.05.12.34 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Jan 2023 05:12:34 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 08:12:33 -0500 References: To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Dave's wonderful rant (was: grinch...) X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 13:12:35 -0000 Thanks Dave for summarizing the current state of speedtests at = https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/speedtests/. (Perhaps this post should be = linked from the Bufferbloat.net home page?) I really enjoyed Jim Roskind's presentation when I watched it on = Youtube: https://youtu.be/_uaaCiyJCFA?t=3D499 I found the part about = outliers and why p50 and p90 are problematic to be delightfully = intuitive. (This Youtube link is queued up at that point, but start at = the beginning to see the full presentation.)=20 Rich > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 21:07:00 -0800 > From: Dave Taht > To: "Luis A. Cornejo" > Cc: dickroy@alum.mit.edu, Cake List , > "MORTON JR., AL" , IETF IPPM WG = , > libreqos , Rpm > , bloat = > Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets > cloudflare'schristmas present > Message-ID: > = > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" >=20 > Dear Luis: >=20 > You hit 17 seconds of delay on your test. >=20 > I got you beat, today, on my LTE connection, I cracked 182 seconds. >=20 > I'd like to thank Verizon for making it possible for me to spew 4000 > words on my kvetches about the current speedtest regimes of speedtest, > cloudflare, and so on, by making my network connection so lousy today > that I sat in front of emacs to rant - and y'all for helping tone > down, a little, this blog entry: >=20 > https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/speedtests/ >=20