From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87C103B29D for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 14:33:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1679423635; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=Nvl0qAOp2RIfXa2ySBm5xtM71OfMX0PnK7kVKkcxVm8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=MWgDWQfYzNF/88ZVcuzsc/Jpx64b+kfDo3Fg3Ks/80LiJXJ/UDehFv8yrklTMtpz2 hupl8wnOVPkOQSETDHdPNbZ2uW6hEwXOBwvifvYgs67/gyoNYvMJaPFeq3+hRRPIvm 5OEGsm9WHJ4R5ETkzC2fT9rG0JMZuiPH2G5JkZvqWgMz17OswxBqFhhzjqRLWZOk2f 0gUsBWbmCOCdFCbx2N2RVkwkAgB+x8aIjYCYN8Qo+mVvhO9A6VHA36w6MTHb9Yn9qR hwTZzSunceYp09bXcepT5f3HEU/dwg/NwgHoD9plQZbZdOFTqC7LoyuJWgJz0MBs6n lEAyUkCq7cELg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([78.50.122.103]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MbRjt-1qBGbS23In-00btCK; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 19:33:55 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.2\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 19:33:32 +0100 Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20230321001019.GA4531@sunf68.rd.bbc.co.uk> <46A0D5B3-FFAA-40A3-B94C-6D01C99D92EB@gmail.com> To: Jan Ceuleers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.2) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:pt3S5U8/8xuC2YgvOhFjFimeY2HRIC7euhIO2TmvFmAWpXy/YLd CDpe7I0qtIxzZ52k4+AqqMYZXo52AM8GxPzlGCsti662lQizk8N5sLYRmIxguOfKPquGzRx jNUmiED5wZxbdIqzUW3BoKpS35Ya7FuovXAywPuHYWJQMvP2MVziwGnwp+GpUk/aPUyyVQS Bpb2RljOd1ptj03DEgxrA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:8iQ9+Kzztj4=;8bNTCl5mqwdQ0+cfLK+rr5hhav+ AgIcdzpO4w0pBjNOkBnnZmB2E5nkQ1Tw+BrszEfST1YFUEtlTmawyUMoVYpbpx7T/yl8uN6vE 7WfbGqeGEcy0slTQ9oz4ONcM/fXE7d6QwzgAkEFaKGdDKuk6x6u+jAnhpxfL59i6XIMjYVtMH NOid3MQexo9kb2vAMR0MH10K8q8mRnFuvMOnhy4WyI4adhLB5RDZ120GESlAeLTLd+S7rh61+ Go8AvjxjcMdHDz7DuT3S0xCK+WF8rRYt6Tlcpllg7wacyVO13AuGUkzVQbDFrJTX3raluG72a +3HWq79l4jJXOH/AO+qb4EsLP0jS+/eICLSZJo9N5t4zAuqzXfR8MAdJECfI3Uks/itbQhxmq g5vZ+o/SMk6eZ0+YRCU9yZTYIagCFnMfeF0uPC7Sl4TV/CQNruGmi3ftnw1JnsL5hU2C9ZqGT Xq6MlG5/RLckAHsD8Bkp34XX/zHO3qgeRzUIehNCjY6c4T1E/WSPXm6eotG5DGmPHpzRerQpU st51ZNZLKHcu7LCS3p2boxuo4unx7s13Awk72n6DVjTQ6H5Ry5s+9ygzoUQbYvNQzQCpA4ORr KKEU/FW3fZmbmp4z/08/uH0u3xhjrAOhOUcGE8JqD9wy3rVWatgctkfXAK2p4harBXImHV+fk dxSvVQEezCL+nwDyq4ux7cgfKbQUjrvEHPPKjOuoaZP7NfklJpzsKFlGhcbk9TpIZIW+kGjVR mIto+eH6gPVfoWfRfnHOgstXeKrpAwTvrKW8ihnZUfrYUu3mvBNd0+nQghy6oNu1vOVu8d3P0 0eKHEc+WA9L7/1civawYuEwqs1oh6A8/LbxwSFv+aEwoO2IO0E1+hLILcBqfhtpn3A5xp7+2d kDN4ZSbu/duhfc3szuzltJ6ptfZr3mZI1XGCi5s5KcRS7alf+i+Fs/QGixSnlT422Bno6B9dg uu4N1g== Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 18:33:57 -0000 Hi Jan, thanks for correcting this. I should have stuck to the point I wanted to = make, that Nokia's and partner's 25 Gbps PON version is called 25GS-PON. Even though there is some potential for drama in the Nokia's (simpler = encoding scheme using?) 25G-PON outside of ITU versus Huawei's (more = complex encoding schemes using) 50G-PON inside ITU... Technically I am in no position to decide what a proper standard is and = what not and whether proprietary versus from a standards body is a = useful distinction, so I am happy to take your word on it.. > On Mar 21, 2023, at 16:22, Jan Ceuleers via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > On 21/03/2023 13:31, Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote: > (...) >> Noki's proprietary (aka not ITU) @% Gbps PON seems to be abbreviated = 25GS-PON. >=20 > 25GSPON is in fact not proprietary. It was standardised by means of an > MSA (multi-source agreement) rather than through the ITU-T, but it is > standardised and not limited to a single vendor. >=20 > https://www.25gspon-msa.org/ >=20 > HTH, Jan > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat