From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-04-iad.dyndns.com (mxout-093-iad.mailhop.org [216.146.32.93]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836142E0726 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scan-02-iad.mailhop.org (scan-02-iad.local [10.150.0.207]) by mail-04-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FA3834CA1 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:14:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 209.85.215.171 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com (mail-ey0-f171.google.com [209.85.215.171]) by mail-04-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E403834C8D for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eydd26 with SMTP id d26so1635477eyd.16 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to:x-mailer; bh=4o/X3N3W83eXlDxAZnTLns9iP3ny6kBUucc5YsiIZxA=; b=mBzN6UwaKIpUPSw8lbpFPVouXwBpXkPu0CTKyVqTm6WFQhdL3Fk6mpZb++gX7NXtGT culcs7kEAiJdI7e/oXxdNIdyJPsK+ZoerL3V9aDHKRrqMFDD9fKkYA1pnUzYAuvk2LYi IwP5fCbVK+x891mUZ8QdiLA85im+7gctBC/T4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=JTax3cnyRW2svfEEKYPIx7P95kYIeA8tpCwljBzSTCuH9y3piUwKwODoxSnmTq3xn/ jjG/cspx+hLqLOB7pAWc+asN65T/vhuYMz9pZr7wyJbotH2T45KHXOTNA4yRYPV4piKk WVF1xFFxSvT54VJfWbrN73ymGx/oKWmuETz00= Received: by 10.14.43.218 with SMTP id l66mr886476eeb.188.1300662881703; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.239.42] (xdsl-83-150-84-172.nebulazone.fi [83.150.84.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w59sm1506863eeh.3.2011.03.20.16.14.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <871v21e6m3.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:14:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4D7F4121.40307@freedesktop.org> <1300212877.2087.2155.camel@tardy> <20110315183111.GB2542@tuxdriver.com> <29B06777-CC5F-4802-8727-B04F58CDA9E3@gmail.com> <20110315205146.GF2542@tuxdriver.com> <219C7840-ED79-49EA-929D-96C5A6200401@gmail.com> <20110315151946.31e86b46@nehalam> <1300228592.2087.2191.camel@tardy> <1300229578.2565.29.camel@edumazet-laptop> <87fwqo54n7.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <823E2A7B-4F46-4159-8029-BD3B075CC4CE@gmail.com> <87bp1b6fo0.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <87bp1b4yh4.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <7480559F-1F3B-4CE5-939F-FD9FD3E68E52@cisco.com> <909F3A19-C7DA-4E38-9BB0-A2EA5F625B7F@gmail.com> <87aagpe7af.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <4D8685F5.4060507@swin.edu.au> <871v21e6m3.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> To: d@taht.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dave_T=E4ht?=) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:14:43 -0000 On 21 Mar, 2011, at 1:04 am, Dave T=E4ht wrote: >>> We're not testing interplanetary networks here, (rather, an >>> artificially induced one extending out well beyond the moon!) but it >>> bears a little thinking about. >>=20 >> Perhaps an idea for presenting bufferbloat visually? Draw a picture = of >> the space around the Earth, with circles around the earth whose >> diameters are proportional to bufferbloat-induced equivalent RTT >> across different ISP links, or different consumer hardware, >> etc. "Bufferbloat puts New York on the far side of the moon!" might = be >> a tagline to get people's attention ;) >=20 > That is similar to one of the ideas I had while prototyping the cosmic > background bufferbloat detector. Come with us. Leave your wheat fields. Leave your back-street shops, your fishing boats. Leave your offices in the tall skyscrapers. Leave all that is routine and commonplace, And come with us at once. Come with us, To where Man has never been, But where he will go, As certain as the passing of time. Come with us to the Moon. The rocket is waiting... -- The Orb, "The Passing Of Time", Orblivion