From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1513E3CB35 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 07:38:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1554205088; bh=V30apeFUVipbk4SwjMcB0z/8CTvyoZvM9az7gfUhTaM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:Subject:Date:Cc:To; b=EJfxr2Qi6X7xj51mhSGVU+uE3+Ur7r4u1dcf2zr4H5sDV6KpYSVNJ/KTEK+i2MkaG STG5nH7Csp/XriwlyP2Nb6y4oTmoc5ironOgi466Pkbi6fKkpWK3XCsiHMWz2UUA/z /xctDs25dkmqOQ214e0CMwYyf6GPP74o2Fzn7gmc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [172.16.12.10] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4Gyx-1gsvmF0JIR-00rlSi; Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:38:08 +0200 From: Sebastian Moeller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:38:07 +0200 Cc: Jonathan Foulkes To: bloat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NZei6has9uIfhzBcU6SV7T0igH9pQ+sZRBmlaC3n+ga8VhMmlu1 xQCamQW3G4gwqpS4jkEj8AYsH8Ac/RZ9Zzj+VZ5DXQMpuZe5FCr+lWH/GPBY2lJfP66o0gt gHcQrvZ+/8u/rLgEWaE/CO0WeudezmP9UOVpVv+CFbUb01IxuTHT3U8EafQ1EauaEAj2SWL K5/MPYVK2cGpqxJIc9UKA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:VLeWvQxE6Uw=:Q7qdoFLCoFmH7WXV/kvOzD YqTS0lXLzjfAuI9JqDYfS4FqtPljIROeo6YhUR0tfvxVSF/i6cwvu3OFgoCndk8pizWc95T1R 5XYa943G07aLTbBd3VEKDAH5w4aWi2dyjm+3Yj7AkU9K8zom0+lK3+liBJ3DSZpXxBjdwc2aR dIbCQRCzTJnJ/Ql5EdDOUQBIaMyecgaJ07FzvlQtUXH/Y4+9GWjGi6gQgEHg4fFq5isS+THoQ j2UZXu2aN7S4HyFU0oO3JblL7pXSf++8pJW3jkdFvJCGxUrMAEyMSK6cDvd+MUsmMK/7rQ/0g 6zkSHmEto5j2IHs9t8lw1ouQ5TJoXfy/RJYtV+ygymVEKqLaboZJ+d0AClbFc0wDwop8zgOtS vNoorkrp9/37sW0pmIf1lsbLtTHAd5m/MKz6ooPa3fixfCwvaDjGU1wmN9Jo1tVvDddfeQhPa pXK2W3V13NHqNSJbE4vCurPvFskVQQfdOkY63Gep7/TmWdduxqgtnv3pS8R+t+3EQGt6QGzg9 HYEafNLIcDFd1/vHUDTwR2lZjKikXdIyiUw03keXjZIVTkhz76AH71dYJApTSHp0DYwgsUH32 VyYVN+l8ScZaOPEoXifJ0kMI3tWr+YE1Sd6zY2n3MdL+vzkSJWqyERDAoj84Gw0YcPJdE0Kbo CPtPldd50hlj4E67M5XtCHAPP3zU6amSXW/8gvxDxCrguYbFXTmtHr43XTeaCWERx+D7WzWXE 6wOal68rbi3CqBx7lvafsNJdH11ZvHT7DcJQxjw1g7Xe8E862HXHi0RyjbfKzWGrxpTJYwkmk 4VEFRlU9gqgOm3xrXjqH0VkWCPJEb1J8lKlVsXa5s1GXDFGmWnWm/lkrUOXX51PtDAU3lUIbP NOjVHk+dzCY3rD4jM2QniHvHt6wkUf74VZnul4Q0S6VkaUWMv1X9ARS/7a8vlYZ90uRAZgHeE hVSPtJrVa7w== Subject: [Bloat] number of home routers with ingress AQM X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 11:38:11 -0000 Dear all, I just wondered if anybody has any reasonable estimate how many = end-users actually employ fair-queueing AQMs with active ECN-marking for = ingress traffic @home? I am trying to understand whether L4S approach to = simply declare these as insignificant in number is justifiable? I know in openwrt with sqm that is the default, but I have no idea about = the number of devices that actually use sqm in the field; @Jonathan: = does evenroute have numbers you are willing to share, like total numbers = or % of iqrouters with ecn-marking ingress routing active? Best Regards Sebastian=