From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B6633B29E; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 13:21:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1657473692; bh=hjThtilcqNRmu6GWvYh97SZ5xW6FObejUJrpJIcKtcI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=W8XtMR9spM01qBLR8K8Rg+7AbOIUr8NsWjmE1kMRFrEZg9XxbxsNCwXBCCTr5oT9K wOqLWwwEN8ENE+YLdgyzZbbSjSJilhZ10jW1do1MsspjTe6uYPTVweMFMhJaWjylQO vEMzpzt3OdkruaNCloJe6ytc9BWHMT+hk67CRowA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([77.3.115.149]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Msq6C-1nHn4m0Skq-00tAYW; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 19:21:32 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 19:21:31 +0200 Cc: bloat , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:mppKGk4wZIMTzhGp5JAAMfvOnpQBuwWewY1X9P/jdyKu1tfIuif StmMazeYvcYIQjWHVxAJ+CDSLJjONao3s5fsFxUUIcLB5h6jjIZZITFiyP9YDT/mC0fyvUG SV732BlUm6Zy6jROkd1rUjmO7bBEeQfXSzlgJjYRYYphsonbbFxVHuP+bkuZdzr/vFVPwwN EP8cOGQWzuV9mCpsQw4Lw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:F5c45Dd4PTc=:bO98wUcMASb6w0Zrvp+P9b D4Mw7+UXTxkRFC5Fg7OzTqhtWghKrCShKbNV6GxOjpfUgxHX0YnXUpOEFuExaKmj+O2i9gKIP dxNd4qKfGcV1zHWecHwGfjtnR20X4mQN1u9IeAho6BxVynMrou+ET4zRAqwAyruuvOVCX39I2 alAAo6MbO2K00tE7M8zRhZAsuMpZCGIhZq8vAvVSTbmKLAkg8p3+T/z+6ijQhaQiYAzj0J6vS WKv3Psc4f4n6axqQ6ujVRloRny5pfjtGxk8vesB//VPy+gof8qgnIxyKu1prvZil8oxGw2hf2 VCF1LxGBJVN/O45i1yOWw1D2m9MheFAGJXZfpn4c02O1qEuYw8ukkbnPfPuCgLeQRc+NPaNHX v7hn66IJZyXAatB6CJ6IrOK1vl2BzvyNpTRYdV/rYbBuPIrYM8SUzbf9lrNavMyK9orCJ4uOj bCGgxZaJQlFD7+2KIQY49pdsoHALs6g4yrtRjIvlTj2YEeTLhXW90d0si9TgHcDuwVH+6vLS8 qXJ3Bnpsg7hherGjsqMWVn57a+Xpq3pHd5BDOuU6gqV4I9XgMnfOyUHuPZAxagGUz++XNOKYJ H6CpKX9U41VE5ZT7AaiiSCV9IhrripFR1zO2B1NIL4lJmgrYnUBq4kyvMTmYmJpXsXH91Cact xUImnoqXgFPV2BkrIW6zcdwuYba2aAY3w0gU7T5wddygjem1R6n8zcYgSjvQsl1ElbGwFYzuc pHgu+167+lhLtIMzLqos1dDJMEB7s7vHTdeB5qk5NMmqwPYkUXgEkyfZZmLqmdLFE1UBcQfsj mo3Qw3pkpr7CJzqDtLVZArNksz9VDgjCeRsXDg73q5qlQyPQTjQ8z/7yflFFuuJOxnVScHwrk qxI2zBONxoJYhy/sjHMx4sWmgIC+Y/ew2Yib1vWhL9Gu9pn7L3JQVEtGrh5H8LlVMr2sOa7u7 1p52zNxA4El/gcWr62TXbOLwnDoTFH7UxuVC3ucczWbIwdavTwjKaRYRkUgR+RcFKgwBnXxDY kq5HUhqv2A9/GmoFegAn6VeC+pBKMg+K7ORKSMW2qxME7suQBrnAR3pbmCS0J/PlmhDztfse6 8wrqn7Zk7DUgIUW28y21GWxVXf2aCe00uiHA1K5EAxTTGAVX9JFdNswYQ== Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] the end of the average X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:21:34 -0000 Contrarian view; the average is still a pretty fine measure, assuming = one does not over-interpret it, accompany it with a measure of variance = and only apply it a distributions where it intuitively makes sense (e.g. = for distributions like a gaussian curve, A-OK, for a bi-modal = distribution with peaks symmetric around zero probably not so much). However the same caution should be used for alternative measures, beware = of the single number descriptions of complex data... Regards Sebastian P.S.: Often it is not obvious from the beginning how a distribution is = going to look like, it seems dangerous to summarize to mean + variance = at that stage before actually looking at the data, however an easy trap = to fall into especially for sparse data. > On Jul 10, 2022, at 18:20, Dave Taht via Starlink = wrote: >=20 > This book is my weekend's reading. Excerpt: >=20 > = https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discover= ed-the-flaw-of-averages.html > --=20 > FQ World Domination pending: = https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink