From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from st-node03.ct.uk (st-node03.ct.uk [109.69.232.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0881D3CB37 for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 11:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by st-node03.ct.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D806029DDCBF; Wed, 5 May 2021 16:05:26 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: by SpamTitan at ct.uk Received: from st-node03.ct.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by st-node03.ct.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A0029DDCD0; Wed, 5 May 2021 16:05:20 +0100 (BST) Authentication-Results: st-node03.ct.uk; none Received: from relay.smtp.pnsol.com (ec2-54-246-165-192.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com [54.246.165.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: predictable) by st-node03.ct.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0EC7529DDCA1; Wed, 5 May 2021 16:05:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.la.pnsol.com ([172.20.5.206]) by relay.smtp.pnsol.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1leJE4-0002Ym-J3; Wed, 05 May 2021 15:14:12 +0000 Received: from [172.20.101.45] (helo=ip-172-20-101-45.eu-west-1.compute.internal) by mail.la.pnsol.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1leJ0G-0005qR-QU; Wed, 05 May 2021 15:59:56 +0100 From: Neil Davies Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_28C1286C-050C-4DDB-8142-1536EA4138E3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 16:05:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: bloat To: "Livingood, Jason" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 May 2021 15:05:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_28C1286C-050C-4DDB-8142-1536EA4138E3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5DEFB09C-B1D3-446C-B74C-A03F33CD34F0" --Apple-Mail=_5DEFB09C-B1D3-446C-B74C-A03F33CD34F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The Broadband forum in the QED initiative = (https://www.broadband-forum.org/download/TR-452.1.pdf) us = =E2=80=9Cstructural=E2=80=9D to capture the =E2=80=9Cimpairment=E2=80=9D = from technological / topology issues. Neil > On 5 May 2021, at 01:02, Livingood, Jason via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > Like many of you I have been immersed in buffer bloat discussions for = many years, almost entirely within the technical community. Now that I = am starting to explain latency & latency under load to internal = non-technical folks, I have noticed some people don=E2=80=99t really = understand =E2=80=9Ctraditional=E2=80=9D latency vs. latency under load = (LUL). >=20 > As a result, I am planning to experiment in some upcoming briefings = and call traditional latency =E2=80=9Cidle latency=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 a = measure of latency conducted on an otherwise idle connection. And then = try calling LUL either =E2=80=9Cactive latency=E2=80=9D or perhaps = =E2=80=9Cworking latency=E2=80=9D (suggested by an external colleague = =E2=80=93 can=E2=80=99t take credit for that one) =E2=80=93 to try to = communicate it is latency when the connection is experiencing normal = usage. >=20 > Have any of you here faced similar challenges explaining this to = non-technical audiences? Have you had any success with alternative = terms? What do you think of these? >=20 > Thanks for any input, > Jason > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat = --Apple-Mail=_5DEFB09C-B1D3-446C-B74C-A03F33CD34F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 The = Broadband forum in the QED initiative (https://www.broadband-forum.org/download/TR-452.1.pdf) =  us =E2=80=9Cstructural=E2=80=9D to capture the =E2=80=9Cimpairment=E2= =80=9D from technological / topology issues.

Neil

On = 5 May 2021, at 01:02, Livingood, Jason via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

Like many of you I have been immersed in buffer bloat = discussions for many years, almost entirely within the technical = community. Now that I am starting to explain latency & latency under = load to internal non-technical folks, I have noticed some people don=E2=80= =99t really understand =E2=80=9Ctraditional=E2=80=9D latency vs. latency = under load (LUL).
 
As a result, I am planning to = experiment in some upcoming briefings and call traditional latency = =E2=80=9Cidle latency=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 a measure of latency conducted = on an otherwise idle connection. And then try calling LUL either = =E2=80=9Cactive latency=E2=80=9D or perhaps =E2=80=9Cworking latency=E2=80= =9D (suggested by an external colleague =E2=80=93 can=E2=80=99t take = credit for that one) =E2=80=93 to try to communicate it is latency when = the connection is experiencing normal usage.
 
Have any of you here faced similar = challenges explaining this to non-technical audiences? Have you had any = success with alternative terms? What do you think of these?
 
Thanks for any input,
Jason
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