From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x132.google.com (mail-lf1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3126D3B29E for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2023 18:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x132.google.com with SMTP id m4so2146671lfj.13 for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2023 15:22:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1680992568; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=V8aYe6jyxmjdbow05fjuh+DKA3pi8HEGlwe+efegPLM=; b=MfvVrfiP7Vvbbl2FSmQ5Mk0mt213CkCRrYyqKtMLf+hfYNpFsrVyYnm+p2XmGM/Z+b y6wFgIG59nkjwdJxJLHcyDrIyGMl0ZP1hRoyakOoMh54FBkRZ1HwqN9n0lZd0BCR6cJs OLWjpC7Ps1eP/dvwJ23kvfWSyflVh24Sx3RSjYFJ4qi14Nbmfy1xvuGZu766sf5e2pVa BQfCG2+Bc2o2M682mATZv02gxhm1ftkt63xT1kaKKk4Y/bzG3IEbz5InRnEpodeJs7aR LwwdHqCP3M/P3496RCsQmn6kpolverzQ3Cyp0v/fDBxy9d1xnByB9ynQiitblyY2oDP4 8FQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1680992568; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=V8aYe6jyxmjdbow05fjuh+DKA3pi8HEGlwe+efegPLM=; b=kycTiRUXkaD5GnKcB8D14bRK8hn7awOrKAgyKFFIMfFtaLEhnmq+BPVZoCd6eN9gpd ATVjKfd5s+v+afEGRT3UkDzriVSMVHMJej0VJUgcFpT0/sL1k1l873phqx9hCRtDCVgE c721b81d9TWkFHINDiZkeMRdHkh0KaznvwiDDbGjMhN1BKUtRf/2fhmrTzQaaXEuEJO4 /g13r0U8w/R1GSRQmD4woF5t0dzAddfLqhFLsvLBhkMeS71Ee4GNV8v4D/P0miX00tC3 UKn4O3Cb0quR0jQIcfbtQcZHK/wsFpFP5GJBUrKRAthfbnpJtFIYHU9gJ9rPpc4dyY9l nH2A== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9d1k7KYup9b2SN9hua/XkvRDNrBGyaLCnxBSiQyY4uNmBDHn+pF aM2vNfM27gxXdjzA39oHa1g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bJEWmQmIV4pb64T/q7oIma9dciLWrxWHJSIDJ2e2sBTbHHx65zqrBHb2YI0v1/PBgHTzMq+g== X-Received: by 2002:ac2:520e:0:b0:4ec:82d8:ade1 with SMTP id a14-20020ac2520e000000b004ec82d8ade1mr638222lfl.53.1680992567387; Sat, 08 Apr 2023 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (37-219-190-117.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.219.190.117]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t12-20020ac24c0c000000b004eb3bb581ccsm1331253lfq.53.2023.04.08.15.22.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Apr 2023 15:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <11761.1680979748@localhost> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2023 01:22:45 +0300 Cc: Dave Collier-Brown , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <11761.1680979748@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Hey, all, what about bandlength? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2023 22:22:49 -0000 > On 8 Apr, 2023, at 9:49 pm, Michael Richardson via Bloat = wrote: >=20 >> If I have a bandwidth of 1 Mbit/S, but it takes 2 seconds to deliver = 1 >> Mbit, do I have a bandlength of only 1/2 Mbit/S? >=20 > Is that because there is 2seconds of delay? It could merely be that, due to new-flow effects, the effective = utilisation of the path is only 50% over those two seconds. A longer = flow might have better utilisation in its later stages. - Jonathan Morton=