From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: d@taht.net (Dave Täht)
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours - timestamps?
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:28:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <F386339E-D967-48D6-A19D-2FC87EFED285@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bp1b6fo0.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org>
On 16 Mar, 2011, at 3:02 am, Dave Täht wrote:
>>>> 1) Wired devices, where we want to push more 10+ Gbps, so we can assume
>>>> a posted skb is transmitted immediately. Even a basic qdisc can be a
>>>> performance bottleneck. Set TX ring size to 256 or 1024+ buffers to
>>>> avoid taking too many interrupts.
>>>
>>> To talk to this a bit, the huge dynamic range discrepancy between a
>>> 10GigE device and what it may be connected to worries me. Some form of
>>> fair queuing should be applied before the data hits the driver.
>>
>> You mean plugging a 10GigE card into a 10Base-T hub? :-D
>
> More like 10GigE into a 1Gig switch. Or spewing out the entire contents
> of a stream to one destination across the internet.
Then that's no different to what I have in my apartment right now - a GigE switch connected to a 100base-TX switch, then to a 2Mbps DSL uplink, which could then be routed (after bouncing around backhauls for a bit) through a 500Kbps 3G downlink to a computer I've isolated from the LAN.
If the flow is responsive, as with every sane TCP, the queue will end up in front of the slowest link - at the 3G tower. That's where the AQM would need to be. The GigE adapter in my nettop would be largely idle, as a normal function of the TCP congestion window.
If it isn't, the queue will build up at *every* narrowing of the channel and the packet loss will be astronomical. All AQM could do then is to pick any real traffic out of the din.
- Jonathan
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-15 10:36 Jim Gettys
2011-03-15 14:40 ` Jim Gettys
2011-03-15 16:47 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 17:59 ` Don Marti
2011-03-15 18:14 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 18:31 ` John W. Linville
2011-03-15 19:40 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 19:59 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 20:51 ` John W. Linville
2011-03-15 21:31 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-16 0:32 ` John W. Linville
2011-03-16 1:02 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 22:01 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:19 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-15 22:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:36 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 22:40 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:42 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-15 22:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-03-15 23:02 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 23:12 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 23:25 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 23:33 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 23:46 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16 0:49 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16 1:02 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16 1:28 ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2011-03-16 1:59 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16 2:23 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16 22:22 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 23:38 ` richard
2011-03-16 23:50 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 12:05 ` Fred Baker
2011-03-17 12:18 ` Fred Baker
2011-03-17 17:27 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-18 18:30 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-18 18:49 ` Fred Baker
2011-03-20 11:40 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 22:18 ` david
2011-03-20 22:45 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 22:50 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 22:55 ` grenville armitage
2011-03-20 23:04 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 23:14 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 23:19 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 23:23 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 22:58 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-21 1:28 ` david
2011-03-21 1:56 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-03-18 18:27 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion ofTCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 22:07 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-17 0:10 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16 0:47 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours " John W. Linville
2011-03-16 20:07 ` Jim Gettys
2011-03-17 2:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 18:22 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 21:50 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 22:20 ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 22:56 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-18 1:36 ` Justin McCann
2011-03-18 5:51 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-03-15 16:34 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 18:13 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-16 5:41 ` Fred Baker
2011-03-16 6:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16 8:55 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 9:04 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours " BeckW
2011-03-16 22:48 ` Fred Baker
2011-03-16 23:23 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 8:34 ` BeckW
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