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From: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
Cc: Rich Brown via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Comcast & L4S
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 14:27:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F7984D1A-10A8-4CF3-B883-5F1B77B75665@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48F77C27-0E57-4F96-9BD8-238CC93342F8@gmail.com>

Hi Rich,


> On 31. Jan 2025, at 14:20, Rich Brown via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
> Google Alerts sent me this: https://www.webpronews.com/comcasts-latency-leap-a-game-changer-in-network-performance/
> 
> Key quote: "Compatibility and Ecosystem: For L4S to have a significant impact, it requires an ecosystem where both the network infrastructure and the end-user devices support the standard..."
> 
> Can anyone spell "boil the ocean"? :-)
> 
> Or am I missing someting?

Well, the whole safety mechanisms in L4$ are laughably inadequate... this "design" essentially exposes a priority scheduler* without meaningful admission control to the open internet. This is so optimistically naive that it almost is funny again. I wish all the effort and hard work to make L4$ happen, would have been put in a reasonable design... but at least I learned one of the IETF's failure modes, and that is at least something valuable ;) 


*) Just because something is not a strict preempting priority scheduler does not make it a good idea to expose it blindly... a conditional priority scheduler with e.g. L4$'  weight share of 10:1 already can do a lot of harm.


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-31 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-31 13:20 Rich Brown
2025-01-31 13:27 ` Sebastian Moeller [this message]
2025-01-31 23:57   ` Dave Taht
2025-02-01  0:40     ` David Collier-Brown
2025-02-01  0:49       ` Dave Taht
2025-02-01 14:33         ` Sebastian Moeller
2025-02-01 14:51           ` Jonathan Morton
2025-02-01 17:06             ` Sebastian Moeller
2025-02-01 17:26               ` Jonathan Morton
2025-02-01 18:05                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2025-02-02  0:09                   ` Jonathan Morton
2025-02-02 11:39                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2025-02-03 14:04                       ` Jonathan Morton
2025-02-01 13:35     ` Sebastian Moeller

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