From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qv1-xf30.google.com (mail-qv1-xf30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D3833CB37 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qv1-xf30.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-68facd7ea4aso25524946d6.0 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708904089; x=1709508889; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iiceuOD1OiMIN9zX3XRaHtLy/JBnyCqNG2r1PV5lmH8=; b=StjI24t5h+/2kHPFSyaN/eaXJv9q71Axwxp2jwS/BqL0NSSH/Sf7FJDAV0CX/dgR99 XidaVks6njSWIdM8XuHp9HQhajuWDJG95h0ZDWzUkpykBdFNuMx5BeH9pqL0dJhg2GHo bdKFvkFH5eCRGOTlO/yvwqITJLTLWFmWJONaE6JNptjruujPC/Q71X6kCt9rUedXL5D3 YPCG9DrA3Z2gATHdDgUJ/XttyrrfKQQ0i1tS5LUiO0vg0JQSnDS+iYMf0mtbxBdu4Y3U khJIXoySM/WO7A6pdX5RPLthhqpI2WGW1x1ao8Vvfd7eftKpM+U0UBYc8wkz8JNERJ+6 swGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708904089; x=1709508889; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iiceuOD1OiMIN9zX3XRaHtLy/JBnyCqNG2r1PV5lmH8=; b=GtUJZFuFz7iAip+KHkjnjpzb+U9YHy4/qT43evJQYwH9n2O/i/58RNAyjbzBHzGzd3 ef8/clzEdfRBiSH/vHYqs2CGryn3KdyLmJOUS3tqeNeEaKziL87AtC03C/TcT9I8ylCU 24TYXwNSY/HDibkDGqA17kgSUbw64LyiUV4vLJdlyUNB60dVwj+MwUYIeL9939DYRTty rf7XIbpHI7M9NPHfEtUOnH7MKo2/BRQHIu+EnN/VKBUQGcWCArpcJzLbfZgKve94b8Q5 YUi4kRMyzBGy+T838XvTSr7TrYhPU0C8kMiJD1rxLGAHLwtbNAFl+8ybkZRBqpDY41P8 ZWTA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzQc9HdYM9LoF+YktSPVijkDyBrBz9HzaNhqgzRyXlI1lbAL2CH RuxpyAExz2CN0OqdpjdC3OLrcjEUP/33UWBZDmNJNDgl6G4/XHVjjUI2CrWr X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEUR2DKEEBQ2a3/3StDrSWjS4/oCAZxKz14Mrm132qSv3EqzXaqID00cK478co1WSoIlXhqFg== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:dd0a:0:b0:68f:2229:394a with SMTP id u10-20020a0cdd0a000000b0068f2229394amr9223224qvk.7.1708904088540; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y3-20020a056214016300b0068f48266e32sm2232031qvs.40.2024.02.25.15.34.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:34:48 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AC953088-ACB0-4DC3-A932-F44CA42E9FE9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:34:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: bloat To: David Lang References: <86B99DBB-251A-4185-8D35-E33A762BF7B0@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Disappointment on "Best Newcomer Router" front X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:34:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AC953088-ACB0-4DC3-A932-F44CA42E9FE9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > the problem is the 'easy to install' requirement. Too many vendors = (including ones that used to be easy to install) are adding extra hoops = to jump through on the newer models. Yes. My fantasy (I can still have fantasies, right? :-) is that people = buy one of our recommended routers for a modest price, download our = recommended firmware, go to the vendor's "update firmware" page, upload = it and reboot. Then they plug the new router's WAN port into their ISP modem's port, = connect their laptop's Ethernet to the LAN port, point their browser to = "openwrt.lan" (see = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cerowrt-ii-would-anyone-care/110554/106) and = set the router password, configure SQM, [configure Wi-Fi], and go back = to fishing, reading, or other productive work. Simple, eh? (I wish...) Rich= --Apple-Mail=_AC953088-ACB0-4DC3-A932-F44CA42E9FE9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
the problem is the 'easy to = install' requirement. Too many vendors (including ones that used to be = easy to install) are adding extra hoops to jump through on the newer = models.

Yes. My fantasy (I can still have fantasies, right? :-) is = that people buy one of our recommended routers for a modest price, = download our recommended firmware, go to the vendor's "update firmware" = page, upload it and reboot.

Then they plug the new router's WAN port into their ISP = modem's port, connect their laptop's Ethernet to the LAN port, point = their browser to "openwrt.lan" (see https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cerowrt-ii-would-anyone-care/110554= /106) and set the router password, configure SQM, [configure Wi-Fi], = and go back to fishing, reading, or other productive work.

Simple, eh? (I = wish...)

Rich
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