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protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0211_01D74757.53D761B0" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: HE1PR0701MB2299.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 21ae09c6-b5c7-44dc-fe36-08d9155db3c9 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 May 2021 15:50:44.0247 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: B+WNqxvoyjISuX3wdA91nqLNRKmJZTuNdEqO3NRh90NtpyviVdgsXx3pbGj1lkHHzvOn7NTZxI7M11k6f59EZZmnOX1LDNR4/BF0yovZhP4QHKTyNkxMTbUjYOYhbzP8 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR0701MB2410 Subject: Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 15:50:46 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0211_01D74757.53D761B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yes. "Idle latency" and "Working latency" make sense. Note however that if you think of idle latency as sparse ping, then = these sparse ping can give unreasonably high values over cellular access = (4G/5G). The reason is here mainly DRX which is a battery saving = function in mobile devices. More frequent pings like every 20ms over the = course of 100ms or so can give more correct values. /Ingemar > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 21:26:21 +0000 > From: Greg White > To: Jonathan Foulkes , "Livingood, Jason" > > Cc: bloat > Subject: Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople > Message-ID: <0A5DF790-7A71-4B84-A20B-559A5E0CE65F@cablelabs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" >=20 > I recently heard Stuart Cheshire (sort of tongue-in-cheek) refer to = =E2=80=9Cidle > latency=E2=80=9D as =E2=80=9Cthe latency that users experience when = they are not using their > internet connection=E2=80=9D (or something along those lines). >=20 > I think terminology that reinforces that the baseline (unloaded) = latency is not > always what users experience, and that latency under load is not = referring to > some unusual corner-case situation, is good. 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