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HAYDEN SIMON UBER GROUP LIMITED MANAGING DIRECTOR - SUPREME OVERLORD E: h@uber.nz M: 021 0707 014 W: www.uber.nz 53 PORT ROAD | PO BOX 5083 | WHANGAREI | NEW ZEALAND From: LibreQoS On Behalf Of dan vi= a LibreQoS Sent: Monday, 14 November 2022 12:21 pm To: Robert Chac=C3=B3n Cc: bloat ; libreqos Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] gamebench quote nice. I like your color coded speed map as well. Been considering that but= also don't want the competition to know exactly what's up, like to keep th= em on their toes. They've wasted money building into areas that we already= have superior service and they get nothing. There's some Sun Tzu quote ab= out that :D On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 4:17 PM Robert Chac=C3=B3n > wrote: Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spectrum in the suburbs. Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently due to the high upload = bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network. We made a page on our website = that tries to educate prospective clients about latency and bloat. I added = the GameBench quote to it (thanks, Dave!) Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ease their minds about "s= peed" when they're used to being bombarded with messaging about needing gig= abit bandwidth. > I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out t= hat latency is important :D This! That and their inability to really do whole-home WiFi at scale helps = WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable internet. On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS > wrote: This is definitely our focus. We preach low latency first and better uploa= ds second, downloads are a distant third. We do have to advertise the fast= er speeds just to get into the conversation because Spectrum for example an= d now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services. See my other email though, Spec= trum's latency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse than that to ma= ny services but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at the moment. I= 'm 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm 20ms better than= Spectrum on Lumen DIA. I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out tha= t latency is important :D On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQoS > wrote: https://www.gamebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-e= dition/ "Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network providers seeking to provide =E2=80=93 and guarantee and commercially benef= it from =E2=80=93 optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud gaming." -- This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC _______________________________________________ LibreQoS mailing list LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos _______________________________________________ LibreQoS mailing list LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos -- Robert Chac=C3=B3n CEO | JackRabbit Wireless LLC Dev | LibreQoS.io --_000_SG2PR03MB3753B7039E700DBEAC5B9A1EA8029SG2PR03MB3753apcp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: LibreQoS <libreqos-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of dan via LibreQoS
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2022 12:21 pm
To: Robert Chac=C3=B3n <robert.chacon@jackrabbitwireless.com><= br> Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>; libreqos <libreqos= @lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [LibreQoS] gamebench quote

 

nice.  I like your color coded speed map as wel= l. Been considering that but also don't want the competition to know exactl= y what's up, like to keep them on their toes.  They've wasted money bu= ilding into areas that we already have superior service and they get nothing.  There's some Sun Tzu quote about that = :D

 

 

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 4:17 PM Robert Chac=C3=B3n &= lt;robert.chacon@ja= ckrabbitwireless.com> wrote:

Same here. We compete primarily against Charter Spec= trum in the suburbs.

Gamers and twitch streamers switch to us frequently = due to the high upload bloat and jitter on Spectrum's network.

We made a page on our website that tries to educate prospective clients about lat= ency and bloat. I added the GameBench quote to it (thanks, Dave!)

Surprisingly, some people do read it and it helps ea= se their minds about "speed" when they're used to being bombarded= with messaging about needing gigabit bandwidth.

 

> I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their= sweet time figuring out that latency is important :D

 

This! That and their inability to really do whole-ho= me WiFi at scale helps WISPs offer a true performance answer to cable inter= net.

 

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:56 PM dan via LibreQoS <= ;libreq= os@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

This is definitely our focus.  We preach low la= tency first and better uploads second, downloads are a distant third. = We do have to advertise the faster speeds just to get into the conversatio= n because Spectrum for example and now TDS are all about 1G or 2G services.  See my other email though, Spectrum's l= atency and jitter is garbage, TDS is actually worse than that to many servi= ces but I don't have a remote login to a TDS site at the moment.  I'm = 15ms more from AWS Oregon on TDS than Spectrum, and I'm 20ms better than Spectrum on Lumen DIA.  

I'm happy enough if TDS and Spectrum take their sweet time figuring out tha= t latency is important :D

 

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:52 PM Dave Taht via LibreQ= oS <= libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

https://www.ga= mebench.net/network-performance-and-gamer-experience-the-us-edition/
"Overall, the consistently reinforced takeaway is that latency has now=
clearly overtaken broadband speed as the focus area for network
providers seeking to provide =E2=80=93 and guarantee and commercially benef= it
from =E2=80=93 optimum experience in both online multiplayer and cloud
gaming."

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