From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com (ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com [17.171.2.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42B3B3CB37 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pps.filterd (ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com [127.0.0.1]) by ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 166GI3X8062827; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 09:28:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apple.com; h=date : from : to : cc : subject : message-id : references : mime-version : content-type : in-reply-to; s=20180706; bh=h4+a4oxfpVtbGrTvgDntBtd/yjo8DGAOsvVTAY0CLsA=; b=Fh4SwKV9jldXeWSS4wdn6ccPaoRbGQKa+wze3a4ciWh36JO91wqgGOROUlOFBTAJO8Tp COjYFnt9kAfoRLh63D0aO2FpOdW724fK9W+B+k9s6mKM5cESCxF1hxJCD/WP+LNRoxuP QTHgCZBD/RV13cXMb4gHRDz0kohE+BiCZRY3vKW9jcwgIkkBlRds3TjRfLhmHfkj1Gr9 /UeE1xO93cQmXbDv07TsYmhUvAmYGNNChFoEnAJ41XjVoYdxbPIGm9nk9T+7DDPksYo+ 7HiBSYGDhnYSNhV0PxiB6D1D0v2x4VRbqDk0SeyptJLqdYzPXpql6ZCYcln1J3E1lHnh lQ== Received: from rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp01.rno.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp01.rno.apple.com [10.225.203.149]) by ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp01.apple.com with ESMTP id 39jpj3dru2-6 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 06 Jul 2021 09:28:36 -0700 Received: from rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp04.rno.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp04.rno.apple.com [17.179.253.17]) by rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp01.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.9.20210415 64bit (built Apr 15 2021)) with ESMTPS id <0QVU006NW0FOZZ00@rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp01.rno.apple.com>; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 09:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from process_milters-daemon.rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp04.rno.apple.com by rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp04.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.9.20210415 64bit (built Apr 15 2021)) id <0QVU00Z000A9I300@rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp04.rno.apple.com>; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 09:28:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Va-A: X-Va-T-CD: 0784ebc13a2136f668ccea2ff57975fe X-Va-E-CD: 911aaceb9b58fd1946e2a5668efef5a8 X-Va-R-CD: 6716157e3d6836fede04cb19f29bed85 X-Va-CD: 0 X-Va-ID: e4e23f9d-858b-4bb5-be99-e245acfb2e94 X-V-A: X-V-T-CD: 0784ebc13a2136f668ccea2ff57975fe X-V-E-CD: 911aaceb9b58fd1946e2a5668efef5a8 X-V-R-CD: 6716157e3d6836fede04cb19f29bed85 X-V-CD: 0 X-V-ID: 28aab637-c10d-4d8d-98af-4ed1e1b8b069 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.391, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-07-06_09:2021-07-06, 2021-07-06 signatures=0 Received: from localhost ([17.149.237.177]) by rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp04.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.9.20210415 64bit (built Apr 15 2021)) with ESMTPSA id <0QVU000340FMSW00@rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp04.rno.apple.com>; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 09:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2021 09:28:33 -0700 From: Christoph Paasch To: Matt Mathis Cc: Jonathan Morton , Stuart Cheshire , bloat Message-id: References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline In-reply-to: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.391, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-07-06_09:2021-07-06, 2021-07-06 signatures=0 Subject: Re: [Bloat] Credit and/or collaboration on a responsiveness metric? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:28:38 -0000 Hello Matt, On 07/05/21 - 16:21, Matt Mathis wrote: > The rounds based responsiveness metric is awesome! There are several > slightly different versions, with slightly different properties.... > > I would like to write a little paper (probably for the IAB workshop), but > don't want to short change anybody else's credit, or worse, scoop somebody > else's work in progress. I don't really know if I am retracing > somebody else's steps, or on a parallel but different path (more likely). > I would be really sad to publish something and then find out later that I > trashed some PhD students' thesis.... from our (Apple's) side, you definitely won't be trashing any PhD or master thesis or anybody's work,... So, all good from that perspective (it's great of you to ask, as a PhD student's life ain't easy...) :) We are going to submit to the IAB workshop at least one paper describing the Responsiveness/RPM measurement. The goals, methodology,... I would be happy to collaborate on that. But at the same time it might be interesting to see the view of the different visions un-changed and then bring everything together later. So, no strong opinions on whether we should co-author or not :) Cheers, Christoph > > *Please let me know if you know of anybody else working in this space, of > any publications that might be in progress or if people might be interested > in another collaborator.* > > Thanks, > --MM-- > The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Alan Kay > > We must not tolerate intolerance; > however our response must be carefully measured: > too strong would be hypocritical and risks spiraling out of > control; > too weak risks being mistaken for tacit approval.