From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp15.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp15.rno.apple.com [17.179.253.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9577D3B29D for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2021 17:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pps.filterd (rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp15.rno.apple.com [127.0.0.1]) by rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp15.rno.apple.com (8.16.1.2/8.16.1.2) with SMTP id 17DLMpWq022883 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:41:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apple.com; h=date : from : to : cc : subject : message-id : mime-version : content-type; s=20180706; bh=JAz/B4+Jlpsv9Yn24X0dVbWkw+vFHIWNoH/T0Wr+4XM=; b=hwSnJ4bSWBusErbilqfF49L+ImYKXQSC2T7+L1LEE8dOtyCGEmREm91AkXW5JjjGBRxz De+/aaa6O4Hn/IYVf9NcxUMTrHdDUT/KjG9uMSxNFxUmI0PCilUs3/tYpvJHoaSJgjkO tIQgN4jWbKtGSo9xy58X3ZnsHYdcUaMoQQBwKDAKKcpyE3JSPJ1fFgn6FtWdMIqj8bj2 rhH7csu+jwxwe1ZBG4CFfePrAqb2GlHyYA+ogNA6hE3shjIumO6LrSClE+hK1Xts177Z BXFfQzsvSBbDLxtqepZ442xafSAHEHaHnwyH+VgVY0yXdsZsubEb6c3MuQk96CUwSy5j ig== Received: from rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp02.rno.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp02.rno.apple.com [10.225.203.150]) by rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp15.rno.apple.com with ESMTP id 3adppby26q-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:41:05 -0700 Received: from rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com [17.179.253.15]) by rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp02.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.9.20210415 64bit (built Apr 15 2021)) with ESMTPS id <0QXS00DWRS8HDYD0@rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp02.rno.apple.com> for bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net; Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from process_milters-daemon.rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com by rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.9.20210415 64bit (built Apr 15 2021)) id <0QXS00J00S0LMO00@rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com>; Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Va-A: X-Va-T-CD: cfcc11d596f13f96c533bd56e7b0b20a X-Va-E-CD: 54830f70b70ff9032877f95123cc0fae X-Va-R-CD: 80bb087c437298cfd3e21c48ddd85eda X-Va-CD: 0 X-Va-ID: d2bcbdef-8a9b-49b5-96ab-ba75cf6812ec X-V-A: X-V-T-CD: cfcc11d596f13f96c533bd56e7b0b20a X-V-E-CD: 54830f70b70ff9032877f95123cc0fae X-V-R-CD: 80bb087c437298cfd3e21c48ddd85eda X-V-CD: 0 X-V-ID: f7acfa13-7b33-4459-b365-15e672a7eac9 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.391, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-08-13_08:2021-08-13, 2021-08-13 signatures=0 Received: from localhost ([17.192.155.152]) by rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.9.20210415 64bit (built Apr 15 2021)) with ESMTPSA id <0QXS00C73S8H6D10@rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com>; Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:41:05 -0700 From: Christoph Paasch To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Cc: Randall Meyer , Omer Shapira , Stuart Cheshire Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.391, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-08-13_08:2021-08-13, 2021-08-13 signatures=0 Subject: [Bloat] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness-00.txt X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 21:41:06 -0000 I already posted this to the RPM-list, but the audience here on bloat should be interested as well. This is the specification of Apple's responsiveness/RPM test. We believe that it would be good for the bufferbloat-effort to have a specification of how to quantify the extend of bufferbloat from a user's perspective. Our Internet-draft is a first step in that direction and we hope that it will kick off some collaboration. Feedback is very welcome! Cheers, Christoph ----- Forwarded message from internet-drafts@ietf.org ----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Christoph Paasch , Omer Shapira , Randall Meyer , Stuart Cheshire Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 09:43:40 -0700 Subject: New Version Notification for draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness-00.txt A new version of I-D, draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Christoph Paasch and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness Revision: 00 Title: Responsiveness under Working Conditions Document date: 2021-08-13 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 12 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness/ Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness Abstract: Bufferbloat has been a long-standing problem on the Internet with more than a decade of work on standardizing technical solutions, implementations and testing. However, to this date, bufferbloat is still a very common problem for the end-users. Everyone "knows" that it is "normal" for a video conference to have problems when somebody else on the same home-network is watching a 4K movie. The reason for this problem is not the lack of technical solutions, but rather a lack of awareness of the problem-space, and a lack of tooling to accurately measure the problem. We believe that exposing the problem of bufferbloat to the end-user by measuring the end- users' experience at a high level will help to create the necessary awareness. This document is a first attempt at specifying a measurement methodology to evaluate bufferbloat the way common users are experiencing it today, using today's most frequently used protocols and mechanisms to accurately measure the user-experience. We also provide a way to express the bufferbloat as a measure of "Round-trips per minute" (RPM) to have a more intuitive way for the users to understand the notion of bufferbloat. The IETF Secretariat ----- End forwarded message -----