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[69.81.133.135]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k42sm3275722qtk.58.2019.03.15.14.34.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:34:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Dave Taht , Bob Briscoe Cc: tcpm IETF list , ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net, iccrg IRTF list , bloat References: From: Wesley Eddy Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:34:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Bloat] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 21:34:38 -0000 Hi, Dave, strangely it looks like nobody has been copying TSVWG on this thread, even though that is where the L4S work is happening in the IETF!  :) I just wanted to respond to one part of your message since I am currently acting as document shepherd for the L4S drafts in TSVWG, and it seems like maybe you don't know where to find all of the IETF materials in order to participate (based on the "stalled out indefinitely" comment below).  So in case it's helpful here are some pointers to where things are kept. The 3 base L4S documents were adopted in the TSVWG WG, and have been regularly updated.  You can find the charter and milestone dates (currently June 2019) quite easily on the WG datatracker page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tsvwg/about/ and of course the "Documents" tab there takes you to the copies of all the documents. There have been updates on L4S and presentations/discussions at the IETF meetings (with minutes and charts posted to the proceedings), as well as L4S draft reviews and comment threads on the TSVWG list whose archives are under "List archive".  You can find meeting minutes and slide decks also readily linked from that WG page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tsvwg/meetings/ There are source code repositories, papers, videos, etc. that the proponents have also made very easy to find, e.g. https://riteproject.eu/dctth/#code (and as linked in meeting materials). Since we (TSVWG chairs) are looking for inputs towards WGLC readiness to proceed on these, hopefully this information is helpful for you. On 3/15/2019 6:46 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > ... > > Some background to this: after the L4S/TCP Prague/and dualpi experiments appeared stalled out indefinitely in the IETF, and with our own frustration with IETF processes, bufferbloat.net project members publicly formed our own working group to look into the problems with ecn, back in august of last year.