From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3AA93B2A4 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 09:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79DE5C00BF; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 09:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap48 ([10.202.2.98]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 04 Jun 2023 09:07:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lochnair.net; h= cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1685884078; x=1685970478; bh=lv HSaWelEJDSXZYAjC8nziw+xwx/Mbewc+6B/HaTJfg=; b=kuXNmOaG0fpK6ZhAbj taiTxN7BThyNVwlIgJIeWcptsO+8Kw82KINOQnwl3cSWdxT+jX1sNw0tXsPdov6V xxXuB7LlA/gryOrC2h0R37mRxRBV9LSvx6WyqN1XqfZDXXmMNME/NfEw+ewUMa94 XdJRncNyp9HEaRf7qCztE7XMPiSP1A0ut5RcEt327W2fDQqqvXpSPJ/4479ec+uL P9ibBfYsofGkFs65KL0Xh1BYLn38IBeGEBsEgbbUZ0teuRZZ3DSTvYBs5VZOK0AJ Tha2+cqJH7TQnTK0n2wS8E1kDELhpnGnawj5dv41Ha5Wfpyyff9/g1nnexYG2iuN UUUg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1685884078; x=1685970478; bh=lvHSaWelEJDSX ZYAjC8nziw+xwx/Mbewc+6B/HaTJfg=; b=A7Vhk48UathlnOwJ/xI7sATThfaeX +KS/A1XPyYIF2f3HxgP7DnWiL0iD1H7TcBCDps2CLFUVXEdXJwDnTk0iK1SNSYkF NWiNsl7Wy2s2HR289OHgG4vLon3/rtUZ7EaElf4Mr5dBWOzjzOzrwRDRH0TUF7Se b5//CZI4P8aQv9QLX7Ilv1eh8f8oT8TeMQuDe2Av2miNrQNdgbtkj6/8OBypr1RE GhcQiAQBnrG470QM6Wyd4ZCYYSaltsqA+LmLYZxKQctxKTvz1aiktJ7ktdnEpbMj jLwYaVP9N8NhyDmFHUCjjUxvm5VQPwn7d+/hLKxjEzH6aefhcLimVhSiw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrfeeljedgieduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttd ertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfpfhilhhsucetnhgurhgvrghsucfuvhgvvgdfuceomhgv sehlohgthhhnrghirhdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepvdeiueekheeikeelhe fgjeffgfefleeigeejhfdvgfeffeeiueektddvgeekffffnecuffhomhgrihhnpegsuhhf fhgvrhgslhhorghtrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpe hmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhgvsehlohgthhhnrghirhdrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i6a5b4305:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id A5BA531A0064; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 09:07:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-447-ge2460e13b3-fm-20230525.001-ge2460e13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 15:07:35 +0200 From: "Nils Andreas Svee" To: "John D" , bloat Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Bloat] Dual WAN home router with decent SQM? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:07:59 -0000 Hi The EdgeRouter line does have load balancing as well as SQM (htb + fq_codel), so one of those should cover your needs. Of note, CAKE is not built-in to the firmware if you care about it, but support can be compiled With your current bandwidth, I'd guess an EdgeRouter Lite would to weak, but the EdgeRouter X or more powerful would do the job well. Keep in mind though, that as far as I can tell, the EdgeMax line is basically on life support, and only receives some security fixes once in a blue moon. Mikrotik's RouterOS devices supports load balancing / failover and SQM I believe, so there might be an option for you there, but as I've never used them personally, I can't comment beyond that. Best Regards Nils On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, at 10:48, John D via Bloat wrote: > I want to set up a new home router with SQM support to alleviate (mostly upload) bloat. > However I would also like dual ISP support, more for backup/failover than load sharing. > I can see affordable multi wan "load balancer" routers eg TP-link, and affordable SQM routers such as ubiquity Edgerouter, but I'm struggling to find a single device providing both. > Just after any advice on a) am I better having two separate components b) if so any suggestions which product/brand? > Two devices means more configuration but possibly more flexible and cheaper. > > My internet speed is looking to max out around 100/20mbps so I don't need Gbit performance. Thanks for any help. > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >