From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tn-mailgw-01.telenor.no (tn-mailgw-01.telenor.no [153.110.76.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8189C3B29E for ; Fri, 21 May 2021 02:01:52 -0400 (EDT) IronPort-SDR: 4BDUz358ArMT0SETAVYb0/bPNKDzPeFdhVzS8d8fEI3JjnTn5wPXjSoTxKAXXg0fMNsMwuOWwd M8LZ4Dhm7sQnOQlhSnqigSNh3aIOofOCsX4cFGakBmiZNJkSCc9ycBK3C6s1de0vz2aVu3xrkN n4Un3EWLRxswTp0oskuKnITO3foN0s03DGKjcn8yxBqh1fqCvXXfj8K6fyaa1ar5NxjRMZxxBO 44SZ9/vHIK+QVpSAmU05F4Xa0PItf3+PTRWX8Ti8D/+IdUr1o1HW4/abxadZA5//miVRybFlId 57A= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.82,313,1613433600"; d="scan'208,217";a="83841192" Received: from tns-sko-24-203.corp.telenor.no ([10.179.59.71]) by tn-mailgw-01.corp.telenor.no with ESMTP; 21 May 2021 06:01:50 +0000 Received: from TNS-SKO-24-203.corp.telenor.no (10.179.59.71) by TNS-SKO-24-203.corp.telenor.no (10.179.59.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.18; Fri, 21 May 2021 08:01:49 +0200 Received: from outlook.telenor.no (10.179.127.55) by TNS-SKO-24-203.corp.telenor.no (10.179.59.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.18 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 21 May 2021 08:01:49 +0200 Received: from pwpvn2209ex001.nxvp.net (10.149.139.134) by pwpvn2209ex003.nxvp.net (10.149.139.136) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2242.10; Fri, 21 May 2021 08:01:49 +0200 Received: from pwpvn2209ex001.nxvp.net ([10.149.139.134]) by pwpvn2209ex001.nxvp.net ([10.149.139.134]) with mapi id 15.01.2242.010; Fri, 21 May 2021 08:01:49 +0200 From: Taraldsen Erik To: bloat Thread-Topic: Educate colleges on tcp vs udp Thread-Index: AQHXTgJhjcNL3pmDJkaSTNZHpuAtdw== Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 06:01:49 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: nb-NO, en-US Content-Language: nb-NO X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.149.139.250] x-tm-snts-smtp: 953E39E1EE5B923A6B51B6D5FD0228523EABC20B0F8832E6A2FBDE21085866A32000:8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_aa87bb559e31429d936eb452ecda55b3telenorno_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 23 May 2021 05:50:52 -0400 Subject: [Bloat] Educate colleges on tcp vs udp X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 06:01:52 -0000 --_000_aa87bb559e31429d936eb452ecda55b3telenorno_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm getting some traction with my colleges in the Mobile department on meas= urements to to say something about user experience. While they are coming = around to the idea, they have major gaps in tcp/udp/ip understanding. I do= n't have the skill or will to try and educate them. Is there good education out there - preferably in the form of an video - wh= ich I can send to my co workers? The part of tcp using ack's is pure magic= to them. They really struggle to grasp the concept. With so basic lack o= f understanding it is hard to have a meaningful discussion about loss, late= ncy an buffering. I don't mean to talk them down to much, they are really good with the radio= part of their job - but the transition into seeing tcp and radio together = is very hard on them. -Erik --_000_aa87bb559e31429d936eb452ecda55b3telenorno_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm getting some traction with my colleges in the Mobile department on m= easurements to to say something about user experience.  While they are= coming around to the idea, they have major gaps in tcp/udp/ip understandin= g.  I don't have the skill or will to try and educate them.


Is there good education out there - preferably in the form of an video -= which I can send to my co workers?  The part of tcp using ack's is pu= re magic to them.  They really struggle to grasp the concept.  Wi= th so basic lack of understanding it is hard to have a meaningful discussion about loss, latency an buffering.


I don't mean to talk them down to much, they are really good with the ra= dio part of their job - but the transition into seeing tcp and radio togeth= er is very hard on them.


-Erik

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