From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bifrost.lang.hm (mail.lang.hm [64.81.33.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F4A421F16D for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 16:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from asgard.lang.hm (asgard.lang.hm [10.0.0.100]) by bifrost.lang.hm (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id r080g7NC002049; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 16:42:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 16:40:51 -0800 (PST) From: David Lang X-X-Sender: dlang@asgard.lang.hm To: Dave Taht In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20130107233732.GE3635@nuttenaction> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="680960-1051304764-1357605656=:2496" Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat Paper X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:42:31 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --680960-1051304764-1357605656=:2496 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT When your connections are that fast, there's very little buffering going on, because your WAN is just as fast as your LAN. Queuing takes place when the next hop has less bandwidth available than the prior hop. However, it would be interesting to see if someone coudl take the tools they used, put them in a datacenter somewhere and analyse the results. David Lang On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Dave Taht wrote: > "We use a packet trace collection taken from the Case Con- > nection Zone (CCZ) [1] experimental fiber-to-the-home net- > work which connects roughly 90 homes adjacent to Case > Western Reserve University’s campus with **bi-directional 1 Gbps > links**. " > > Aside from their dataset having absolutely no reflection on the > reality of the 99.999% of home users running at speeds two or three or > *more* orders of magnitude below that speed, it seems like a nice > paper. > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Hagen Paul Pfeifer wrote: >> >> FYI: "Comments on Bufferbloat" paper from Mark Allman >> >> >> http://www.icir.org/mallman/papers/bufferbloat-ccr13.pdf >> >> >> Cheers, Hagen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > --680960-1051304764-1357605656=:2496--