From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] I feel an urge to update this
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:32:21 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1409250728500.14735@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1409242111470.13899@nftneq.ynat.uz>
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, David Lang wrote:
> The problem is that you don't know what the connectivity is going to be.
> (unless you are connecting to the same IP as an existing connection).
> Your first few hops are fairly predictable, but after that you have no
> idea if you are going to be connecting to a server on a low bandwidth
> link, one behind a very congested router, or one with better
> connectivity than you have.
I am not saying that we *know*, but we might have a pretty good idea.
Better than to do the same thing regardless of circumstances. If I know my
home connection is 250/50 megabit/s, then there is no reason to treat it
like a 0.1 megabit/s connection or a 10GE connection.
> using fq_codel on every bottleneck link will make TCP work pretty well
> across that entire range of connectivity
Well, that'll fix one thing, but for instance the IW4 and IW10 debate. I'm
sure IW10 works *great* on a 100/100 megabit/s connection when the server
is 10GE connected, but it's less than optimal for a 0.1 megabit/s
connection.
So why can't the client hint the server that, hmm, I seem to be on a
fairly slow connection here, don't send me too much at once? Or it can
hint that hey, it seems most times I get pretty large TCP window sizes, so
it's ok to start with IW10?
--
Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-25 5:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-19 23:33 Dave Taht
2014-09-20 9:03 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-09-20 15:55 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-09-20 16:47 ` Michael Welzl
2014-09-23 5:48 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-23 8:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-09-25 4:16 ` David Lang
2014-09-25 5:32 ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2014-09-25 7:35 ` David Lang
2014-09-25 8:08 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-25 11:00 ` David Lang
2014-09-25 13:00 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-25 13:25 ` Dave Taht
2014-09-25 14:35 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-25 16:09 ` Rick Jones
2014-09-25 17:26 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-25 17:49 ` Rick Jones
2014-09-27 8:59 ` Manolis Sifalakis
2014-09-29 17:28 ` Rick Jones
2014-10-04 19:56 ` Manolis Sifalakis
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