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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] I feel an urge to update this
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:32:21 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1409250728500.14735@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1409242111470.13899@nftneq.ynat.uz>

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, David Lang wrote:

> The problem is that you don't know what the connectivity is going to be. 
> (unless you are connecting to the same IP as an existing connection). 
> Your first few hops are fairly predictable, but after that you have no 
> idea if you are going to be connecting to a server on a low bandwidth 
> link, one behind a very congested router, or one with better 
> connectivity than you have.

I am not saying that we *know*, but we might have a pretty good idea. 
Better than to do the same thing regardless of circumstances. If I know my 
home connection is 250/50 megabit/s, then there is no reason to treat it 
like a 0.1 megabit/s connection or a 10GE connection.

> using fq_codel on every bottleneck link will make TCP work pretty well 
> across that entire range of connectivity

Well, that'll fix one thing, but for instance the IW4 and IW10 debate. I'm 
sure IW10 works *great* on a 100/100 megabit/s connection when the server 
is 10GE connected, but it's less than optimal for a 0.1 megabit/s 
connection.

So why can't the client hint the server that, hmm, I seem to be on a 
fairly slow connection here, don't send me too much at once? Or it can 
hint that hey, it seems most times I get pretty large TCP window sizes, so 
it's ok to start with IW10?

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-25  5:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-19 23:33 Dave Taht
2014-09-20  9:03 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-09-20 15:55   ` Jonathan Morton
2014-09-20 16:47     ` Michael Welzl
2014-09-23  5:48 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-23  8:31   ` Jonathan Morton
2014-09-25  4:16   ` David Lang
2014-09-25  5:32     ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2014-09-25  7:35       ` David Lang
2014-09-25  8:08         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-25 11:00           ` David Lang
2014-09-25 13:00             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-25 13:25               ` Dave Taht
2014-09-25 14:35                 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-25 16:09       ` Rick Jones
2014-09-25 17:26         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-09-25 17:49           ` Rick Jones
2014-09-27  8:59             ` Manolis Sifalakis
2014-09-29 17:28               ` Rick Jones
2014-10-04 19:56                 ` Manolis Sifalakis

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