From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B249E21F2AB for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 12806A3; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 07:59:27 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1424847567; bh=i0Ap7PLCxX6FfUac9wXRzAfXmTetbIbyouSkTHMWml8=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=VCuHBXjIuHb8mKzQCs3exIf2usOi7OB1a904diU5b27xjqh7+aRt36zao3WQ2VZyf 10SHad3mcH+64J8X1zUO/m485rvc5bslhit1zL6kRKVU96edam2YmkTVw1zk1BOvf+ qOM9QqHwN+/I+gP6KzFDiwfZb4RIc2ID7OzEDBis= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07619A2; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 07:59:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 07:59:26 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: David Lang In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] RED against bufferbloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 06:59:58 -0000 On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, David Lang wrote: > more importantly (as I understand it), if you use RED while the rest of > the users on the network stick with stock systems, you will keep > yielding to them and only get to use a fraction of the available > bandwidth. I have a hard time imagining a setup where this would be the case. Could you please elaborate? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se